What's the difference between pillar one and pillar two?
OK. I'd like to think that even our government wouldn't be mental enough to not report the latter.
- Pillar 1: swab testing in Public Health England (PHE) labs and NHS hospitals for those with a clinical need, and health and care workers
- Pillar 2: swab testing for the wider population, as set out in government guidance
Full article.On cases, maybe maybe not:
Do we know if they’re reporting Pillar 1,2 or both in the briefings?
Also one more death than this time last week. Concerning.
Edit: yep looks like they’re only reporting around 20% of cases now. Of course they are.
Unfortunately notOK. I'd like to think that even our government wouldn't be mental enough to not report the latter.
Just reading about it. They've only been passing on full data on pillar 1 which is ridiculous as pillar 1 and 2 are exactly the same test, only difference is pillar 1 is carried out by the NHS and pillar 2 by private companies.Do we know if they’re reporting Pillar 1,2 or both in the briefings?
Central government could be sitting on data that masks the real number of coronavirus infections at a local level, a Financial Times investigation has revealed.
The number of new cases in the regions only includes pillar 1 data from hospitals and not pillar 2 from commercial labs and home tests.
It means that in places like Leicester, which has been forced back into lockdown this week, up to 90 per cent of new cases could have been missed by the local authorities, leading to a delayed response.
Local leaders have criticised the slow response from the Government and Public Health England (PHE) in sharing case and testing data for the city.
Leicester mayor Sir Peter Soulsby said he had been trying “for weeks” to access data on the level of testing in the city and was only given access last Thursday.
According to the most recent data, published on Monday, there have been 1,056 cases in Leicester since the outbreak began.
But Leicester City Council said that the latest figures it has received show there have been 3,216 Covid-19 cases confirmed in the city since the start of the pandemic.
A Public Health England official, who declined to be named, said non-publication was a ministerial decision.
“The Department for Health and Social Care need to make the decision to publish — and they should — but we can’t push them because we are their arms-length body.”
Kate Ardern, who leads health protection and emergency planning for Greater Manchester, said the information being sent to local authorities from tests conducted under pillar two lacked the granularity or timeliness needed to pre-empt an outbreak.
For the past two months she and colleagues had been making their concerns known to officials and ministers, she said.
“If I don’t know who is being tested, and getting positive tests, in the community because one of the major elements of the testing system isn’t currently sending me complete and reliable intelligence . . . it actually hampers our ability to get ahead of the curve on outbreak management,” said Ms Ardern.
But that's only for the national total. If you want to drill down into regional data it seems they're only providing data from pillar 1.
So deaths are relatively stagnant but infections are going down a bit... do you think this is because a drop in testing? Or conversely more people are dying in proportion to positive tests (and I know there is a time lag to factor in terms of positive test to death) - I wonder why?155 deaths today, 690 new infections.
So deaths are relatively stagnant but infections are going down a bit... do you think this is because a drop in testing? Or conversely more people are dying in proportion to positive tests (and I know there is a time lag to factor in terms of positive test to death) - I wonder why?
But that's only for the national total. If you want to drill down into regional data it seems they're only providing data from pillar 1.
It seems a very odd thing to refuse to hand over. Going by the fact the Leicester mayor has said they have been trying to get hold of the data for weeks it seems unlikely its just an oversight and more that it has been withheld but what possible benefit can there be in doing that?Oh I agree, I was just commenting on the national data.
Definitely right to go with deaths. The testing data seems to be all over the place and when they won't release the number of people actually tested its virtually impossible to draw any reliable conclusions from the data they do publish.All things being equal you’d expect mortality to drop as time goes on and we learn to deal with the symptoms better. I can only assume it’s a change in testing. This is generally why I always go for deaths over cases.
I bet you a pack of Tim Tams that you can!
We're still waiting for our new hospital in Liverpool......its only 3.5 years overdue, with the remedial works currently being undertaken to rectify the clusterfuck left by Carillion expected to cost nearly as much as the original budget.....
...Our governments have always been shit at infrastructure budgets & forecasts, but this current bunch of shysters are on a different level of incompetence.
Wish they’d stop cycling on the fucking road as well. No awareness.
But all their mates are making a packet, so in their own eyes there doing a great job.
More joy.Oh shit.
Meanwhile back in Westminster we have tory on tory action
Oh shit.
Is this a new study? Researchers and clinicians in London discovered this weeks ago.
The linked article is dated 19th June so maybe not, I hadn’t heard of studies showing antibodies decreased. I think I got it at the start of lockdown which means my immunity is probably gone soon, just as lockdown ends. Concerning.
Oh goody praise Johnson and his cronies for saving us allYeah it definitely is concerning. It's interesting as scientists/researchers/clinicians have hypothesising for months whether antibodies may not be long lasting or be the answer to squashing the virus. This was one of the reasons why the WHO were up in arms about the prospect of the UK pursuing the herd immunity tactic, as not only would it likely cause hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths but there was no evidence at the time to suggest that it would successfully muscle out the virus whatsoever.
Whilst the UK hasn't appropriately managed this crisis at all well, the latest findings show how devastating the situation could have gotten if our government's initial approach was left unchecked.
Oh goody praise Johnson and his cronies for saving us all
What a fuck up
still, so long as Dom can go on a bender, Boris ladddd!
Not sure I'd want to be working in that environment, is it table srevice only or will there be screens up around the barThis is the issue and why I think the re-opening of the pubs should've been postponed for another month. If the police can't enforce guidance, how does the government expect pub staff to ensure social distancing is adhered to after a few pints have been knocked back.
This is the issue and why I think the re-opening of the pubs should've been postponed for another month. If the police can't enforce guidance, how does the government expect pub staff to ensure social distancing is adhered to after a few pints have been knocked back.
Sounds like the worst porno ever!
Stop it, that's so disturbing that I may never be able to get an erection again. Just like Grendal.Hasto be called Blue Movie
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