Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (216 Viewers)

OffenhamSkyBlue

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Thought it should have been FFP 3 for medical settings?
Well that was the other issue - they said that FFP2 were allowed due to a lack of FFP3s. Good risk management there, eh? The issue with FFP3 is that they are more likely to have a one-way valve, which completely negates one of their purposes: to stop infectious people from blowing their germs all over the patient!
 

RegTheDonk

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A positive story for a change. Drayton Manor has been saved. Was on the brink of collapse and obviously has been hit hard by being shut for months as covid hit right after they had sorted the damage from Storm Dennis which had forced them to shut.

Been taken over by Looping Group and all existing management and staff will be retained. They own 15 parks around Europe, including West Midlands Safari Park which they purchased in Jan 2019.


Didn't realise they were in the poo but pleased there is a way out, fond memories. These days its' fenced off and they've got their own hotel lol, but we used to camp there for a cheap holiday when the kids were young. In those days, you pay for a pitch and you didn't have to pay to enter the park.
 

Johnnythespider

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Popping into the local convenience shop where no one else is bothering when I've popped in.
Has anybody been fined for not wearing one yet, I've not seen anything even though I've seen plenty flouting the rule.
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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Popping into the local convenience shop where no one else is bothering when I've popped in.
Absolutely - i thought you meant for work purposes, which might not be the same thing. You can cover your face with any old sock to comply with the coronavirus control measures - your FFP2 will set you streets ahead of most other people (provided you don't wear it on your forehead or your neck!).
I've not heard of anyone being fined for not wearing one - most shops have been encouraged not to challenge, and to assume that people not wearing one has a valid exemption.
If you are wearing an FFP2/3 for work purposes (i.e. controlling an inhalable hazardous material) you have to have a face-fit test, but that don't matter with coronavirus as no other face covering is intended to form a tight seal to the face like that needed for genuine respiratory protection, so it's all a bit pointless really (hence my negative stance towards the whole facemask issue that you may have seen elsewhere).

Followed a woman into Lidl the other day - she remembered she didn't have a mask, so just grabbed the collar of her t-shirt and pulled it up over her face. And THAT, my friends, is compliant!
Also got a nice flash of her tits :eek:)
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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Likewise the local chip shop. Hardly anyone taking any notice of the warning signs on display.
People seem to be pretty compliant where i am, i must say, other than one berk in Pets at Home who wasn't wearing one (not my problem - he may be asthmatic for all i know), but rubbed his nose with his thumb and forefinger, then reached down and picked some product up, looked at it, then put it back down. THAT is the risk, as are people not wearing the mask properly (e.g not covering the nose), or people repeatedly taking their mask on and off as they walk down the High Street, potentially contaminating their hands before handling stuff that someone else might then touch.
Please guys - 2m is a better control measure - stick to that.
 

Johnnythespider

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Absolutely - i thought you meant for work purposes, which might not be the same thing. You can cover your face with any old sock to comply with the coronavirus control measures - your FFP2 will set you streets ahead of most other people (provided you don't wear it on your forehead or your neck!).
I've not heard of anyone being fined for not wearing one - most shops have been encouraged not to challenge, and to assume that people not wearing one has a valid exemption.
If you are wearing an FFP2/3 for work purposes (i.e. controlling an inhalable hazardous material) you have to have a face-fit test, but that don't matter with coronavirus as no other face covering is intended to form a tight seal to the face like that needed for genuine respiratory protection, so it's all a bit pointless really (hence my negative stance towards the whole facemask issue that you may have seen elsewhere).

Followed a woman into Lidl the other day - she remembered she didn't have a mask, so just grabbed the collar of her t-shirt and pulled it up over her face. And THAT, my friends, is compliant!
Also got a nice flash of her tits :eek:)
Were you going to Lidl, or just following her around hoping for a flash
 

fernandopartridge

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People seem to be pretty compliant where i am, i must say, other than one berk in Pets at Home who wasn't wearing one (not my problem - he may be asthmatic for all i know), but rubbed his nose with his thumb and forefinger, then reached down and picked some product up, looked at it, then put it back down. THAT is the risk, as are people not wearing the mask properly (e.g not covering the nose), or people repeatedly taking their mask on and off as they walk down the High Street, potentially contaminating their hands before handling stuff that someone else might then touch.
Please guys - 2m is a better control measure - stick to that.
That's been the problem with the messaging, it's presented as do this or this, not do this and this.
 

David O'Day

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You would of hoped the chairman of the BoE would understand basic macroeconomics.

End the furlough scheme on a set date and you create mass unemployment which leads to a reduction in demand which then leads to more job losses. This leads to another reduction in demand and thus more job losses and the circle of recession/depression begins.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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You would of hoped the chairman of the BoE would understand basic macroeconomics.

End the furlough scheme on a set date and you create mass unemployment which leads to a reduction in demand which then leads to more job losses. This leads to another reduction in demand and thus more job losses and the circle of recession/depression begins.

Although independent don't be amazed if he's been told to agree with the govt or be out of the job.
 

CCFCSteve

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Nearly back at the 1k case mark, 950 today.

Though apparently:



Good post mate. I don’t know if the analysis is correct (presume so) but assumed for a while that increased and targeted localised testing would obviously lead to higher confirmed cases. If it shoots up to 2-3k like Spain it’s showing a real (more concerning) increase. Hospital admissions also still a tiny fraction of what they were (80-100 per day compared to 3-4K at peak) again a sign that more people are getting tested many of whom only have minor/minimal symptoms. Hopefully it stays that way.

If only the media readily provided more of this information !!!
 

fernandopartridge

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Good post mate. I don’t know if the analysis is correct (presume so) but assumed for a while that increased and targeted localised testing would obviously lead to higher confirmed cases. If it shoots up to 2-3k like Spain it’s showing a real (more concerning) increase. Hospital admissions also still a tiny fraction of what they were (80-100 per day compared to 3-4K at peak) again a sign that more people are getting tested many of whom only have minor/minimal symptoms. Hopefully it stays that way.

If only the media readily provided more of this information !!!
Yeah, it'd be interesting to know what the confidence factor is in the cases by specimen date, I.e how many days on average until the case numbers that day are 95% accurate. There should be enough data now to give reasonable projections on this sort of thing.
 

CCFCSteve

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Yeah, it'd be interesting to know what the confidence factor is in the cases by specimen date, I.e how many days on average until the case numbers that day are 95% accurate. There should be enough data now to give reasonable projections on this sort of thing.

Agreed. Don’t get me wrong, of course there will be an increase in cases after relaxing measures it’s the size/speed of the (real) increase that we want to know and the severity of those cases
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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Yeah, it'd be interesting to know what the confidence factor is in the cases by specimen date, I.e how many days on average until the case numbers that day are 95% accurate. There should be enough data now to give reasonable projections on this sort of thing.
It's worth taking a look at the Office for National Statistics data, which work on the daily death rate by date of death (if you get my drift), rather than date of reporting, which the badly-flawed PHE data quote.
There were only 5 deaths in hospitals in England yesterday. How many from cancer, heart disease, suicides, car accidents, etc? I know we still have to be extremely careful to prevent it taking hold again, but these figures are now way below everyday deaths.
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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This guy is a great follow on Twitter ... oncology prof at Brum medical school, and very analytical/critical of any negativity in media analysis of the data.
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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Karol Sikora is also very critical of the impact of the pandemic on cancer care. He estimates that there may be in excess of two million people in the UK who have not been able to access proper cancer treatment or even go to their GP with lumps, etc., since corona reared its ugly, spiky little head.
Luckily my wife's consultant has managed to get her a CT scan tomorrow at the Cobalt Centre in Cheltenham, which is a charity specialising in cancer imaging, and mops up a lot of the NHS surplus.
You lot supported me a lot last year around the time of her op (thanks again, by the way) - this is her one year follow-up scan, so fingers crossed.
 

fernandopartridge

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It's worth taking a look at the Office for National Statistics data, which work on the daily death rate by date of death (if you get my drift), rather than date of reporting, which the badly-flawed PHE data quote.
There were only 5 deaths in hospitals in England yesterday. How many from cancer, heart disease, suicides, car accidents, etc? I know we still have to be extremely careful to prevent it taking hold again, but these figures are now way below everyday deaths.
The numbers on ventilators and in hospital continue to fall so I'm expecting that the number of deaths in hospital will continue to fall too. The increase post pubs reopening hasn't been huge all things considered.
 

fernandopartridge

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Karol Sikora is also very critical of the impact of the pandemic on cancer care. He estimates that there may be in excess of two million people in the UK who have not been able to access proper cancer treatment or even go to their GP with lumps, etc., since corona reared its ugly, spiky little head.
Luckily my wife's consultant has managed to get her a CT scan tomorrow at the Cobalt Centre in Cheltenham, which is a charity specialising in cancer imaging, and mops up a lot of the NHS surplus.
You lot supported me a lot last year around the time of her op (thanks again, by the way) - this is her one year follow-up scan, so fingers crossed.

Hope things go OK for your wife
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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This Karol Sikora?

Some may say that, but i prefer to focus on his medical attributes when he is commenting on medical matters.
Double first at Cambridge, PhD in Immunology at Stanford, founding Professor of Oncology at Imperial College, Deputy Clinical Director at Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Chief of the WHO's Cancer programme, etc, etc.

But yes, he does also write a column for the Express (apparently).
 

shmmeee

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Some may say that, but i prefer to focus on his medical attributes when he is commenting on medical matters.
Double first at Cambridge, PhD in Immunology at Stanford, founding Professor of Oncology at Imperial College, Deputy Clinical Director at Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Chief of the WHO's Cancer programme, etc, etc.

But yes, he does also write a column for the Express (apparently).

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Sikora was a Foundation Fellow of Prince Charles' now-defunct alternative medicine lobby group The Prince's Foundation for Integrated Health.[40] He is also a "professional member" of the College of Medicine, a patient-oriented healthcare lobby group also linked to the Prince of Wales that appeared shortly after the collapse of the FIH.[41] Correspondents to the British Medical Journal have criticised the College for its promotion of alternative medicine,[42][43][44][45][46] claims which it has contested.[47] Sikora is on the advisory panel of complementary cancer care charity Penny Brohn Cancer Care[48] (formerly the Bristol Cancer Help Centre) of which Prince Charles is a patron, and is a patron of the Iain Rennie Hospice at Home.[49]

The pharmacologist David Colquhoun noted that the School of Medicine at Buckingham University, of which Sikora is Dean, had briefly offered a diploma in "integrated medicine" (a euphemism for alternative medicine) run by the "Faculty of Integrated Medicine", adding that Sikora's own views on the subject were a "mystery wrapped in an enigma".”

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In a 2017 Newsnight opinion piece, he described the NHS as "the last bastion of communism - it is a monolithic, unmanageable and inefficient system [...] the staff are great but the system is not".[28] He proposed instead regarding it as a tax-based insurance scheme covering "basic costs", and allowing private providers to enter the market.[29]

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He’s basically a quack for hire from what I can see. Dodgy testimony for Libyans, rent a doc for the right wing, alternative medicine. Last published anything of note over a decade ago.
 

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