Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[skybluesam66]

The bit you highlighted doesn't day any was it gives a hypothetical scenario. It does not say anyone actually did.

It's hypothetical and it doesn't claim that anyone was listed after being hit by a bus. The sentence could of read as below and meant the same thing as the sentence doesn't actually claim anyone was listed after being hit by a bus 3 months later.

"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were abducted by aliens"

Come back to me when you can read.

Please read the bottom sentence in my quote. It doesnt specifically say a bus - but does say however you die it was treated as Covid
The bus was an example - I know people on the scale do struggle with examples

if you are struggling with that I despair at education in this country

At least your grades will be on triple lock

 

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[David O'Day]

Please read the bottom sentence in my quote
if you are struggling with that I despair at education in this country

At least your grades will be on triple lock

" Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death "

You mean this sentence that doesn't even mention buses?

Can you prove anyone who had coronavirus was actually run over by a bus if you want to take this equally flawed line? According to the ONJS 1748 people were killed in RTAs in 2019. If we say 10% of them were caused by buses (which is a massive over estimation) then 175 people were killed by buses in 2018 which equates to about 14.6 people dying after being run over by a bus each month in 2019. If we take the months of April, May, June and July then at that rate about 58.5 people were run over by a bus. What is the likelyhood that any of those 58 and a half people had ever had covid-19? This is without factoring in the every decling number of deaths in RTAs, the fact you are more likely to get run over in darker winter months and the fact that less people are out and about to be run over which means the actual number of people run over by a bus in the allotted time period is a fraction of that.

So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus is a) a hypothetical sentence and the vague chance that some was run over by a bus after contracting covid-19.

This education system you mock seemed to have clearly failed you.

 

[skybluesam66]

beyond words.......

Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus. (was what I said)

So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus (is what you translated that into)

Hopefully you can see the failure in your comprehension

so to not mess with your condition further I will say, yes you are of course right. Thankyou so much for pointing this out - well done. Note to self (must do better)

 

[fernandopartridge]

Deaths down by 5000 and now only 100 a week

No, the deaths still occurred and they've just put an arbitrary time limit of 28 days from infection when a death that a doctor has recorded was caused by COVID-19 can be included in the stats. It's the usual smoke and mirror tactic.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus.

That is bollocks

 

[fernandopartridge]

yes, so that is an anomaly the other way, but the "knocked off your bike" was removed from the count today as yes it was nonsense, that is why it was removed . Please read up . This was only in England not the rest of the uk. Basically over time the death rate from covid would have been 100% as eventually they would have all died. This is removing this anomaly

UK 'overestimates' coronavirus death toll: study

Britain ordered an urgent review Friday into how coronavirus deaths are counted after a study suggested health authorities are overestimating the toll by counting people who died long after recovering.

medicalxpress.com

That's a crank site

 

[fernandopartridge]

"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later,"

you really are in a different world

And you also think it acceptable to insult . I suggest you both open your mind and educate yourself - as from all of your posts, there is something clearly lacking

Previously anyone who has ever tested positive for the virus in England was automatically counted as a coronavirus death when they died,

You are wrong

 

[David O'Day]

beyond words.......

Basically if you ever had covid and at some point died you were included irrespective of how you died. Even if you were knocked over by a bus. (was what I said)

So your evidence that someone was definitely added to the cogvid death total after being run over by a bus (is what you translated that into)

Hopefully you can see the failure in your comprehension

so to not mess with your condition further I will say, yes you are of course right. Thankyou so much for pointing this out - well done. Note to self (must do better)

You've just spent about 4 posts arguing that people were included after being hit by a bus and now when you have been made to look a c**t you are pretending you did not do what you spent 4 or 5 posts doing.

Mate you are normally a joke but this a new level of stupid even for you.

 

[David O'Day]

You are wrong

He's now claiming he didn't actually say any of what he said tonight

 

[David O'Day]

I would now like to ask why someone who dies of a heart attack should not be included as viruses have been shown to caused myocarditis which a definite cause of heart failure?

 

[skybluesam66]

He's now claiming he didn't actually say any of what he said tonight

I am 100% not denying what I said. And nor am I a c**t. but that says more about you if that is what you resort to

I will leave you 1 more piece of reading except bbc use the analogy of a car crash

Coronavirus: England death count review reduces UK toll by 5,000 - BBC News

Deaths recorded in England had included people who tested positive months before they died.

www.google.co.uk

 

[ajsccfc]

The guy who wants a partner to watch dogs go at it is fascinating, yet I'm drawn to the person whose dislikes solely mention Indiana Jones. There's a trauma there

 

[chiefdave]

Hang on a second. Is this just the daily figure out out by Public Health England that has been changed?

People have been pointing to excess deaths and the ONS stats as more accurate since this began.

Still it’s a nice distraction for the government rather than having to actually deal with the issue

 

[shmmeee]

Hang on a second. Is this just the daily figure out out by Public Health England that has been changed?

People have been pointing to excess deaths and the ONS stats as more accurate since this began.

Still it’s a nice distraction for the government rather than having to actually deal with the issue

Yeah it’s more PR bollocks. The same number of people are dead they’re just trying to wriggle out of responsibility for it. And people like Sam are eating it up because otherwise they’d have to accept voting in the worst government in U.K. history because they said they’d Brexit.

 

[David O'Day]

I am 100% not denying what I said. And nor am I a c**t. but that says more about you if that is what you resort to

I will leave you 1 more piece of reading except bbc use the analogy of a car crash

Coronavirus: England death count review reduces UK toll by 5,000 - BBC News

Deaths recorded in England had included people who tested positive months before they died.

www.google.co.uk

Once again you fail to prove your actual original point.

FFS mate give it up.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The guy who wants a partner to watch dogs go at it is fascinating, yet I'm drawn to the person whose dislikes solely mention Indiana Jones. There's a trauma there

Back in the day, at a well-known bookseller, somebody ordered this:

Amazon product ASIN 0953326160
but got this:

Amazon product ASIN 0806523646
I tried to explain how there was little difference...

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No, the deaths still occurred and they've just put an arbitrary time limit of 28 days from infection when a death that a doctor has recorded was caused by COVID-19 can be included in the stats. It's the usual smoke and mirror tactic.

There are some people that were in hospital with this for months, so there will also be people who died specifically from coronavirus who aren't counted now as well.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Quiche

 

[fernandopartridge]

No data being published by PHE today due to a glitch (I guess they haven't set up the algorithm to remove the 28 day + infected from today's figures)

Separately, just saw a Critical Care Consultant on twitter saying that they're starting to see re-admissions from home of people previously discharged from ICU. Flies in the face of the preposterous 28 day limit doesn't it?

 

[Evo1883]

Let's be honest, how can anybody actually believe what they are being told in regards to figures when the goalposts etc keep shifting... Farcical https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAI&usg=AOvVaw1CrKThohesV30-4qJmJOGb&ampcf=1

 

[fernandopartridge]

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/Covid-Publication-13-08-2020.xlsx

Hospital admission data is all there

 

[xcraigx]

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.

www.bbc.co.uk

300 positive tests in a sandwich factory in Northampton. All of whom work there so I would guess there will be plenty of family and friends also being confirmed in the next few days.

Off the top of my head we've had breakouts in meat processing factories in Wrexham and Anglesey too in recent weeks - places that you would imagine have had to follow social distancing particularly carefully. Is this a sign of how easily and quickly the virus will spread in the cooler winter climate?

 

[Evo1883]

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.

www.bbc.co.uk

300 positive tests in a sandwich factory in Northampton. All of whom work there so I would guess there will be plenty of family and friends also being confirmed in the next few days.

Off the top of my head we've had breakouts in meat processing factories in Wrexham and Anglesey too in recent weeks - places that you would imagine have had to follow social distancing particularly carefully. Is this a sign of how easily and quickly the virus will spread in the cooler winter climate?

I'd check Australia etc for that answer (haven't myself) but they have swing from summer to autumn during this so we'd get a better answer from that region

 

[Saddlebrains]

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.

www.bbc.co.uk

300 positive tests in a sandwich factory in Northampton. All of whom work there so I would guess there will be plenty of family and friends also being confirmed in the next few days.

Off the top of my head we've had breakouts in meat processing factories in Wrexham and Anglesey too in recent weeks - places that you would imagine have had to follow social distancing particularly carefully. Is this a sign of how easily and quickly the virus will spread in the cooler winter climate?

No for me its another sign that we have to get on with it because social distancing doesnt take place in a lot of places of work

My place isn't the greatest. I know a few people who work in a factory where its near enough non existent.

Look at the Ricoh tesco outbreak. The amount of staff needed in places like that and the close contact its inevitable its going to happen.


As long as you're in work the big corps dont give a shit. I'd rather not hazard a guess at the amount of people with symptoms who try and hide said symptoms because they cant afford 2 weeks statutory sick pay also.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

No for me its another sign that we have to get on with it because social distancing doesnt take place in a lot of places of work

Mrs Wightman said Greencore had "highly effective measures in place and they continue to work extremely hard to exceed the requirements needed to be Covid-19 secure within the workplace".

She said the outbreak was "about how people behave outside of Greencore, not at work," adding if people failed to follow the rules "a possible local lockdown will follow".

 

[Saddlebrains]

Oh well it must be true if a spokesman for a company trying to cover its arse says it instead of what people see on a daily basis

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Oh well it must be true if a spokesman for a company trying to cover its arse says it instead of what people see on a daily basis

Lucy Wightman, Director of Public Health at Northamptonshire County Council

Have you read the article?

 

[Saddlebrains]

Have you read the article?

Yes i have. But its suits your rhetoric doesnt it. Like when something anti tory is posted it must be nailed on truth. ( and im neither labour mor tory, couldnt give a fuck)


End of the day, speak to people working in sectors such as retail, warehousing, delivery, childcare. Basically anything that isnt office based.


To the outside its all 'Covid certified safe'.

Is it bollocks. It's nigh on impossible without shedding a shitload of staff

 

[Deleted member 5849]

End of the day, speak to people working in sectors such as retail, warehousing, delivery, childcare. Basically anything that isnt office based.

I work in a non office based environment. Got friends too, amazingly enough. I haven't even said anything about this, but you apopear to be talking about something completely different to this article. It suggests you're just jumping on something to peddle your nonsense again, and it seems to suit your rhetoric to ignore completely everything that article says.

All I've done is quote things from the article and it seems to make you curiously angry. I guess it must do so when you were the one coming up with the bullshit about it going away... you seem to just want to carry on as normal and fuck anyone else.

Oh, and Northamptonshire County Council is Tory controlled. If I wanted to just slag off Tories, I'd be saying that the council were bullshitting...

 

[wingy]

Tbf I'm inclined to see saddles point on this.
Internationally there have been cases too .And farming.
Sure some will have done thing's outside of work the Gov't has deened ok .
When its endemic in a workplace across most staff something is wrong .
Demographic of staff probably younger ,female? Maybe , ethnically diverse maybe?
Low paid yes.
No support if not working.
I think we Owe as much to these people who've kept the supply chains going as much as to the medics in all honesty .
Shouldn't forget that.

 

[David O'Day]

Yes i have. But its suits your rhetoric doesnt it. Like when something anti tory is posted it must be nailed on truth. ( and im neither labour mor tory, couldnt give a fuck)


End of the day, speak to people working in sectors such as retail, warehousing, delivery, childcare. Basically anything that isnt office based.


To the outside its all 'Covid certified safe'.

Is it bollocks. It's nigh on impossible without shedding a shitload of staff

If you read the article why did you attribute the words of the LA's director of public health to the " spokesman for a company trying to cover its arse "?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Tbf I'm inclined to see saddles point on this.
Internationally there have been cases too .And farming.
Sure some will have done thing's outside of work the Gov't has deened ok .
When its endemic in a workplace across most staff something is wrong .
Demographic of staff probably younger ,female? Maybe , ethnically diverse maybe?
Low paid yes.
No support if not working.
I think we Owe as much to these people who've kept the supply chains going as much as to the medics in all honesty .
Shouldn't forget that.

I'm not even saying that though! I'm saying a lockdown is planned to cut it back if things don't improve, and it's not just the factory that's at fault, but it's Northampton people relaxing outside too.

(In fact, that's close to the Tory narrative, if you really like it, but my point is it ain't going away, and we can't just go back to normal).

I'm saying if cases rise, we have to shut down to stop them rising anymore, instead of sticking our fingers in our ears and deciding it's going away because it suits us to say that because we don't want to lockdown again!

I mean, he could at least have read the article before commenting on something completely different!

 

[Saddlebrains]

Article or not, my point stands, im not getting into an argument about it.


An absolute shit tonne of companies are not doing as they say they are to the outside world to follow regs. This needs clamping down on.


And as i say, how many people with a cough or sniffle are going to work anyway as losing 2 weeks full pay can result in them not being able to pay bills? Holes in the system everywhere

 

[David O'Day]

Government quietly drops 1.3m Covid tests from England tally

Exclusive: Double counting raises fresh questions about accuracy of testing figures

www.theguardian.com

shock horror

 

[shmmeee]

Article or not, my point stands, im not getting into an argument about it.


An absolute shit tonne of companies are not doing as they say they are to the outside world to follow regs. This needs clamping down on.


And as i say, how many people with a cough or sniffle are going to work anyway as losing 2 weeks full pay can result in them not being able to pay bills? Holes in the system everywhere

That was a problem even before COVID. I’m fairly certain I had it and was left with bronchitis as well right at the start, just before lockdown. I was told in no uncertain terms I wasn’t allowed to self isolate. There’s a ridiculous culture of presenteeism and being in the office at all costs. At least the latter seems to have calmed down.