clint van damme
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did you get their autographs?
To be fair, thats states "outbreaks" as opposed to cases......and outbreaks are far easier to track, trace & record, especially in the environments shown as, by their very definition, you have a full documented record of whos been in, out & shaking it all about.
From my experience in the boozers just this weekend, I've been drinking alongside a Mr. Mickey Mouse, Mr. Billy Nomates, Mr. C U Jimmy & Dixie Dean.....
Spurs would prefer to be able to go straight through to the next round and not play the lower league teams
From the governments own data.
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Hancock saying grandparents can take care of kids is just plain stupid and similar to his nonsense about putting a protective ring around care homes at the same time as forcing care homes to take positive patients out of hospital and untested patients out of hospital
Not sure who that data is compiled or analysed, Track and trace doesn't work. Someone in a pub could spread it around but everyone is asymptomatic, takes it away and spreads it into a care home/workplace where someone shows symptoms and that would be classified as where the outbreak came from. I can understand how it could spread quickly and easily within a care home but how did it get in there in the first place? Has to be people from outside that environment bringing it in.
To be fair, this ‘U turn’ stuff is nonsense. The virus has spiked, measures need to be taken. When it dips, relax the measures. It’s happening all over the world.
Most people give their real names though.
But they aren't the ones likely to be flouting the rules and causing the spread in the first place.
Say someone responsible was in a pub and later finds out they test positive, report it and they were able to track people from the places they'd visited and thus where those people had been etc. But how would they trace the likes of Mr Hugh Jarse or Betty Swallocks? And how knows where else those people will have been potentially spreading it around as if they're willing to not provide proper details it's unlikely the give much of a shit about other measures like distancing, masks, hand sanitation etc.
Yeah it looks like there are really nasty long term consequences. One thing I can't understand is the bit I highlighted. How do they know this is permanent, obviously it's not even been around for 12 months so how do they know the organs won't recover given time, particularly the liver as it regenerates.
One issue with closing pubs at 10pm means you are likely to have more people drunk and on the streets of town and city centres together. Later opening hours stagger the amount of people leaving at 1 particular time. This could create more unsocial distanced interaction.
I get that they have to act on the latest advice but its not like these things weren't being pointed out at the time. When they told everyone to go to the pub and started dishing out vouchers for cheap meals out everyone could see what the result would be but that was ignored. Same with back to the office, 'save pret' became a phrase to mock the government, again everyone could see what was happening but they were ignored.But it shows just how short-sighted and unable to see future consequences they are, or at least how much they're willing to ignore them because the economy is more important to them than the citizens. Spent weeks pretty much demanding return to offices, now it's back to WFH where possible. It was never necessary for those able to WFH to go back to the office and take the risk in the first place.
Fact is they see the average man as little more than an expendable drone there to help line the pockets of them and their mates.
So just have more police presence at that time
Would that mean those vulnerable wouldn’t show symptoms or what? Basically what’s functionally the difference between immunity and not having symptoms?
Something needs to be put in place. According to the ONS in April 2019 (the most recent figure available) the average employee was earning £30,415. What is the impact on the economy going to be if we suddenly dump millions of people onto a maximum of £4,919 a year under universal credit when furlough ends?Surely there needs to be an extension to the furlough scheme now. The measures are needed but it's going to be tough going for lots of people.
Assume that's the one near Alma de Cuba
I get that they have to act on the latest advice but its not like these things weren't being pointed out at the time. When they told everyone to go to the pub and started dishing out vouchers for cheap meals out everyone could see what the result would be but that was ignored. Same with back to the office, 'save pret' became a phrase to mock the government, again everyone could see what was happening but they were ignored.
We locked down too slowly and tentatively to start off with, then we opened back up too soon. I'm not convinced we're not leaving it too late again. All summer it was the story that to open schools and unis something else would have to go. Yet we've opened everything up. Time will tell what impact having thousands of uni students moving round the county to return to their studies, living together in student accommodation and, as we can all see on social media, out partying.
Today seems like a warning shot. Once again shifting the responsibility onto the individual to 'do the right thing'. Not sure how effective that will be when a good chunk of the country seems to think its a hoax and another big chunk are totally confused as to what they can and can't do. Given they've spent days telling us transmission in private homes is the biggest issue not sure why they've chosen to close the pubs earlier while making no changes to how many people you can have in your home.
They can't get testing or tracing organised and the stats they release have had their methodology changed numerous times to 'correct' them yet we're supposed to believe they have evidence people are catching it after 10pm in pubs. Struggling to believe that tbh.The PM says that the government has seen evidence that transmission "does tend to happen later at night after more alcohol has been consumed".
Not sure who that data is compiled or analysed, Track and trace doesn't work. Someone in a pub could spread it around but everyone is asymptomatic, takes it away and spreads it into a care home/workplace where someone shows symptoms and that would be classified as where the outbreak came from. I can understand how it could spread quickly and easily within a care home but how did it get in there in the first place? Has to be people from outside that environment bringing it in.
It’s the single biggest action we can take to test isolate and trace. What on Earth did he mean?"Testing and tracing has very little or nothing to do with the spread or transmission of the disease."
A quote from Boris in the HoC today, just shows he's given up an the truth,
It’s the single biggest action we can take to test isolate and trace. What on Earth did he mean?
He also came out with this corker when asked why the death rate was higher here than in other countries, "It's very difficult to ask the British population uniformly to obey guidelines in the way that is necessary”. Not to mention, "There is nothing more frustrating for the vast majority who do comply – the law-abiding majority – than the sight of a few brazenly defying the rules."."Testing and tracing has very little or nothing to do with the spread or transmission of the disease."
A quote from Boris in the HoC today, just shows he's given up an the truth,
Aye...just around the corner in Concert Square.
You been the Alma then? Samba saturday or the sunday service?
He also came out with this corker when asked why the death rate was higher here than in other countries, "It's very difficult to ask the British population uniformly to obey guidelines in the way that is necessary”. Not to mention, "There is nothing more frustrating for the vast majority who do comply – the law-abiding majority – than the sight of a few brazenly defying the rules.".
Test trace and isolate
I think everybody agrees on the impact of going from around £30000 to £5000 per year per head for a large section of the population.Something needs to be put in place. According to the ONS in April 2019 (the most recent figure available) the average employee was earning £30,415. What is the impact on the economy going to be if we suddenly dump millions of people onto a maximum of £4,919 a year under universal credit when furlough ends?
Seems the average mortgage payment is about £670 a month, people wouldn't even be able to cover that. Is there no impact on the economy if huge numbers of people can't pay their mortgages and lose their homes? Where are they all going to live? Finding somewhere to rent is hard enough when you have a job, unemployed and unable to pass a credit check I can imagine it being near impossible.
A lot of talk of economic impact but we need to look after individuals as well as big businesses.
What are the limited numbers of officers available going to do?
"oh please don't walk within 2m of someone"
Not an answer
Or we could shut them all up again and only open schools on a ‘normal’ basis.
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