Feel free to ask anyone in Cov hospital admissions are flying up.
Feel free to ask anyone in Cov hospital admissions are flying up.They turned down more apparently. I quite like Burnham and he’s right to stand up for Manchester, however, he’s been all over the shop over the past few days. The way I read it, he was happy for the whole country to be lockdown down but not for Manchester to go into Tier three and has then subsequently accused the government of manipulating hospital admissions stats to I increase worry/panic (ie suggesting they aren’t that bad) - probably correct ! Which one is it mate ?!
If it’s true that the city’s confirmed cases are decreasing and dependent on hospital capacity (if he’s right and it’s running at similar levels to normal for this time of year) I’d side with Burnham on this....without the bullshit efforts to drag the rest of the country into a lockdown. He can’t have it both ways though
I'm finding this whole negotiation thing a little bizarre anyway. Either it needs to go into top tier or it doesn't, and fannying around for a week doesn't exactly convey the urgency!
Feel free to ask anyone in Cov hospital admissions are flying up.
Can I just add that them calling Van Tam ‘JVT’ is the height of cringe. We’re handling a pandemic not the next destination for the banter bus
At a wild stab, lots of doom, lots of waffle, little action.Forgot the briefing was on. What have I missed ??
Both right, shouldn't be no negotiation should be a set figure for certain a mount of people, the goverment will be bailing most people out with wages anyway well 60%.Yeah, no doubt they’ll be increasing everywhere. Its gaging capacity. I think Burnham was indicating there wasn’t an immediate capacity issue (whilst the government was)....if there was as NW says fannying around for a week ‘negotiating’ wasn’t in anyone’s interests. I don’t know who’s right.
Forgot the briefing was on. What have I missed ??
Good that we're stopping them coming into contact with other groups then, eh.Students still are the highest new case demographic
Both right, shouldn't be no negotiation should be a set figure for certain a mount of people, the goverment will be bailing most people out with wages anyway well 60%.
So because he turned it down the government are punishing the people of Greater Manchester? Sounds very childish and irresponsible bordering on dictatorship.They turned down more apparently. I quite like Burnham and he’s right to stand up for Manchester, however, he’s been all over the shop over the past few days. The way I read it, he was happy for the whole country to be lockdown down but not for Manchester to go into Tier three and has then subsequently accused the government of manipulating hospital admissions stats to I increase worry/panic (ie suggesting they aren’t that bad) - probably correct ! Which one is it mate ?!
If it’s true that the city’s confirmed cases are decreasing and dependent on hospital capacity (if he’s right and it’s running at similar levels to normal for this time of year) I’d side with Burnham on this....without the bullshit efforts to drag the rest of the country into a lockdown. He can’t have it both ways though
It’s everything else they need to close first. Schools should be the last thing to close.All a punishment because the Tories don’t have the balls to close schools
So because he turned it down the government are punishing the people of Greater Manchester? Sounds very childish and irresponsible bordering on dictatorship.
Even still you can't give one place more than another especially if your population is similar.Think it’s getting additional support for businesses (grants etc.) for those that have to close - which should be being provided
Fuckloads to hide. There’s only one way to get a grip on this virus escalating and yet they remain in denial about doing it.
The sooner they admit that exams can’t be done fairly for all the better. Put all that energy and time into creating an adequate system and then scrutinising the input from school in a comprehensive manner.
Even still you can't give one place more than another especially if your population is similar.
It's utterly bonkers! Whether you agree with the support or not, is a separate issue to actually doing it!Why are they even making separate deals? It should be standard support based on the tier surely?
Agreed, but I get why they are negotiating can't give somewhere with say 300k population the same as somewhere with 5m population.Why are they even making separate deals? It should be standard support based on the tier surely?
Agreed, but I get why they are negotiating can't give somewhere with say 300k population the same as somewhere with 5m population.
It is, tbf, in response to the criticism that they weren't consulting.Surely you arrange a package of measures for each restriction. Bars closed? Furlough for hospitality kicks in. Etc etc.
There seems to be some weird effort to penny pinch and play politics on this issue when the government can do what it wants. Just grow some balls and take some decisions.
I wonder if they extended furlough for another 6 months or so would of been cheaper than negotiating packages for every local council.Surely you arrange a package of measures for each restriction. Bars closed? Furlough for hospitality kicks in. Etc etc.
There seems to be some weird effort to penny pinch and play politics on this issue when the government can do what it wants. Just grow some balls and take some decisions.
Boris Johnson said:And, just to sort of give everybody some hope, If you look at what is actually happening with the universities, for instance, they have done a great job of getting their virus under control.
It is a kind of scientific feature of the effect of a lockdown that, if disease levels are higher when you effect the lockdown, the effect will be less, overall, than if the lockdown is inflicted at a point when disease level is much lower.
I wouldn't expect the same magnitude of effect if it were done now as if it were done early in September or mid-September
How not to run a country at any time let alone in the grip of a pandemic.This is all mental.
How not to run a country at any time let alone in the grip of a pandemic.
How not to run a country at any time let alone in the grip of a pandemic.
It is, tbf, in response to the criticism that they weren't consulting.
But how do you consult on this? We're closing everything down Andy. Alright.
To be clear, they should be consulting with the local health officuals, and following the science!
My mate 5 days in hospital so far certainly no worse so that’s good. Still on oxygen. Update was he was in the gym and swimming the night before. Came on overnight like a truck
Where have you seen they turned down more? Most of the reports I've seen suggest they were getting close to a deal only for the government to move the goalposts.They turned down more apparently.
We went into today's meeting with the government with a positive and unanimous view amongst Greater Manchester leaders that we should seek a resolution as soon as possible.
We had been encouraged by earlier discussions at an official level where the idea of a Hardship Fund, to top up furlough payments and support the self-employed, had been tabled by the government.
It was both surprising and disappointing when this idea was taken off the table by the secretary of state.
Its all of the above and I don't think that view is inconsistent. He isn't against lockdown, his point is you can't force businesses to close and not support them and their employees.I quite like Burnham and he’s right to stand up for Manchester, however, he’s been all over the shop over the past few days. The way I read it, he was happy for the whole country to be lockdown down but not for Manchester to go into Tier three and has then subsequently accused the government of manipulating hospital admissions stats to I increase worry/panic (ie suggesting they aren’t that bad) - probably correct ! Which one is it mate ?!
my understanding from what I’ve read, gov said you’re going into tier 3 and heres the support packaging similar to Liverpool, AB rejected saying he won’t support unless they get more, gov concerned that without local mayor support lockdown won’t be enforced/adhered to, continued negotiations, negotiations failed.
a load a politics chucked in but think that’s the long and the short of it.
Have they finally given up on claiming schools have no impact on the spread?It looked like a well orchestrated hit job on Burnham. Besides that it showed the data reflecting that students and school kids have passed the virus on to the older age groups so admissions now rising in the latter. Students still are the highest new case demographic
Where have you seen they turned down more? Most of the reports I've seen suggest they were getting close to a deal only for the government to move the goalposts.
Burnham and Leese (leader of Manchester Council), put out a joint statement saying.
Its all of the above and I don't think that view is inconsistent. He isn't against lockdown, his point is you can't force businesses to close and not support them and their employees.
The thing about hospitals was that No 10 were pushing to the press that Manchester hospitals are imminently going to be overwhelmed but they seem to be doing that without actually consulting with the hospitals who say they ICU occupancy is comparable to this time last year.
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