Just saying that’s what I’d read. What’s wrong ? AB wanted more money, government didn’t want to give more support.
ps if you read earlier posts I said I supported his position by the way (apart from that he said he wanted a national lockdown/circuit break which would’ve meant paying off certain sectors of the whole country furlough (whether that would be his 80% or governments 60%) even in areas where there’s low case numbers. Which we can’t afford. I’d rather focus on local lockdowns and support properly. I’ve already written to Andy Street twice about additional support needed for certain sectors
Remember a month ago when Whitty was accused of scaremongering for saying we could hit 200 deaths a day by November without taking action? 213 in England alone today.
Yes, was just coming on here to post 241 reported deaths for today. A huge jump from the previous figures.
I personally feel we are already past the last roll of the dice to stop a major loss of life in this.
All eyes on the central belt in Scotland where there has been a partial lockdown which is equivalent to a Level 3 Lockdown in England for a while now.
Doesn't look like there has been any changes in reversing the course of the virus just slowing it down in the areas which are most affected.
It is still too early to see if a lockdown has had any effect but the rate of infection is still going up and increasing in the neighbouring local authorities next to the ones which are causing concern making an even bigger area of concern.
I just believe they are trying to put off a national lockdown for as long as possible.
This can't continue for much longer.
When people are dying and it is just statistics then you need to worry.
Remember a month ago when Whitty was accused of scaremongering for saying we could hit 200 deaths a day by November without taking action? 213 in England alone today.
Which is exactly what the experts have been saying would be the outcome of local lockdown while they have pushed for a national lockdown. Of course they've also been pushing that a national lockdown needs to happen ASAP to be effective, and that started weeks ago.All eyes on the central belt in Scotland where there has been a partial lockdown which is equivalent to a Level 3 Lockdown in England for a while now.
Doesn't look like there has been any changes in reversing the course of the virus just slowing it down in the areas which are most affected.
As someone pointed out on the radio this morning they were happy to bung the DUP £1bn to ensure they kept their own jobs but are happy to abandon people in the North.
Until people get this through their heads nothing will change.As long as they keep schools open it’s not going to get better. Then they will ruin everything else and wonder why the cases keep going up
They should be angry with the Tories for the way they’ve abandoned them. They should be angry with Labour for abandoning the mandate of democracy last year, and they should be a little angry with themselves for trusting Tories in the first fucking place. The ideology of Brexit laid the way for this clusterfuck.The north is fucking angry
The penny is dropping I thinkThe north is fucking angry
The penny is dropping I think
Ridiculous. Lending rates are rock bottom. Even the IMF are saying austerity now is insane. Accidentally adding too much demand into the economy right now would not be the worst thing.
If you won’t spend now, in the middle of a pandemic, when will you? Now is not the time for ideology.
but it’s still got to be used effectively/wisely ...that’s not ideology, that’s common sense !
Where have low rates? I just tried Devon and Suffolk (traditionally low rates) and they're heading up to and beyond 50 per 100k... which was a high rate vefore we reclassified!
I can find a small pocket of Somerset that's 24.
OK, it's stabbing randomly, but there aren't exactly many places with a low rate... until the scales have been re-jigged to suit the current narrative.
You must be furious with some of the contracts the government has handed out since March?
OK, so local lockdowns everywhere bar Cornwall and IoW.cornwall and the isle of wight are in the 20s for the whole counties
Whats going on in Derry and Strabane with it's over 800 cases per 100k
Again, unsurprising on here... a comment being taken out of context. I’d said local lockdowns should be properly/better supported (and thought Burnham was right to push for more for Manchester) however, I don’t agree with a national lockdown...which he weirdly also supported.
By the way though, if we moved to a national circuit break/lockdown and put everyone in certain sectors even on 80%, rather than maintaining properly supported local lockdowns (which I have advocated if you read the posts) that actually takes demand out of the economy (As many people will get 80% rather than 100% of their salaries). So does closing restaurants, bars etc etc in areas that have low transmission rates, some of which may not reopen, people lose jobs etc etc.
We’ve borrowed 200bn in six months so far this year and there’s more to come. It will be the younger generation (low risk and having their lives disproportionately disrupted, in some cases ruined) paying this back. I have no issue with borrowing more, especially at such low rates, hence me also commenting that I’ve written to Andy Street twice regarding additional support for certain sectors, but it’s still got to be used effectively/wisely ...that’s not ideology, that’s common sense !
Ps Unfortunately this thread has just become a bit of an echo chamber, spreading misery and whipping each other up into a weird frenzy (thought that only used to happen on match day threads !!!). Unless you fall 100% in line, forget it. It’s bizarre !
Where have low rates? I just tried Devon and Suffolk (traditionally low rates) and they're heading up to and beyond 50 per 100k... which was a high rate vefore we reclassified!
I can find a small pocket of Somerset that's 24.
OK, it's stabbing randomly, but there aren't exactly many places with a low rate... until the scales have been re-jigged to suit the current narrative.
We can afford to pay back whatever we need to spend and most of it will be borrowed from the BoE anyway so will never need to be paid back.
It's not weird that Burnham supports a wider lockdown, he has said this all the way.
We can afford to pay back whatever we need to spend and most of it will be borrowed from the BoE anyway so will never need to be paid back.
The irony of attacking people for not agreeing with you as well
Isn’t his entire point that no one should be struggling..... because the Government support should be adequate to stop this being the case?Not attacking anyone, talking about the thread. I’m just saying it’s bizarre.
So burnhams happy for people in low transmission areas to potentially be put out of work and/or receive a lower proportion of their salary (some of which may be struggling already). Yeah, makes sense
How often does this point get ignored/played down/hidden.
There doesn’t have to be a massive debt for future generations to pay off.
Me??Because people like you spout off about magic money trees, well kids there is a magic money tree and it's the BoE.
The people getting triggered about Burnham wanting an extra 10/20m are the same people that have essentially glossed over giving 12b to Serco for nothing.
No credibility whatsoever.
It is a shame everything is fucked alreadyBit late the stupid northern bastards
maybe a little bit angry at themselves as it's there where many of these high rates have been for a consistent period of time?They should be angry with the Tories for the way they’ve abandoned them. They should be angry with Labour for abandoning the mandate of democracy last year, and they should be a little angry with themselves for trusting Tories in the first fucking place. The ideology of Brexit laid the way for this clusterfuck.
maybe a little bit angry at themselves as it's there where many of these high rates have been for a consistent period of time?
We’ve borrowed 200bn in six months so far this year and there’s more to come. It will be the younger generation (low risk and having their lives disproportionately disrupted, in some cases ruined) paying this back. I have no issue with borrowing more, especially at such low rates, hence me also commenting that I’ve written to Andy Street twice regarding additional support for certain sectors, but it’s still got to be used effectively/wisely ...that’s not ideology, that’s common sense !
There are only medium areas there are no low areasNot attacking anyone, talking about the thread. I’m just saying it’s bizarre.
So burnhams happy for people in low transmission areas to potentially be put out of work and/or receive a lower proportion of their salary (some of which may be struggling already). Yeah, makes sense
facts I mean what are they to a bullshit rantThere are only medium areas there are no low areas
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