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fernandopartridge

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What it does show that the younger you are the more likely you are to die without a pre-existing condition. Or more likely that the older you are the more likely you are to have what's defined as a pre existing condition.
 
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Kieranp96

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fernandopartridge said:
What it does show that the younger you are the more likely you are to die without a pre-existing condition. Or more likely that the older you are the more likely you are to have what's defined as a pre existing condition.
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1400 deaths, with no preexisting condition, I wonder how many of the 1400 had one that was just not diagnosed.
 
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fernandopartridge said:
What it does show that the younger you are the more likely you are to die without a pre-existing condition. Or more likely that the older you are the more likely you are to have what's defined as a pre existing condition.
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Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
 
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Kieranp96

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
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Dementia has been shown to effect organs via the brain its complicated but there is evidence there.
 
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Kieranp96

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fernandopartridge said:
High blood pressure is one

I strongly suspect being overweight or obese is another
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Would that be a underlying issue though? I tell you something I've been obese for a good 14 years of my life, I've had 0 issues health wise, props I'm o longer obese but why would obese be underlying issue, and how does high blood pressure effect the respritory system?
 
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fernandopartridge said:
The reason why they're high is probably due to care homes, i.e. care homes don't just exist for the elderly
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Fair enough. Kind of shows 'underlying condition' is meaningless though, as it breaks down to 'society and its many different conditions'.
 
We'll_live_and_die

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
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I think they've separated those out specifically because people died in mental health care and not hospitals. Just reading the notes on the screenshot I put up. Therefore they were in the NHS, but not specifically because of Covid.
 
olderskyblue

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I guess that with all these things, they could be taking medicines that affect the immune system.
 
fernandopartridge

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Kieranp96 said:
Would that be a underlying issue though? I tell you something I've been obese for a good 14 years of my life, I've had 0 issues health wise, props I'm o longer obese but why would obese be underlying issue, and how does high blood pressure effect the respritory system?
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I wondered that myself, i think it's probably more the case that being obese is often associated with other comorbidities.

The high blood pressure thing I read from a CCU consultant i follow on Twitter, but again that's a comorbidity with obesity.
 
chiefdave

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
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Kieranp96 said:
Would that be a underlying issue though? I tell you something I've been obese for a good 14 years of my life, I've had 0 issues health wise, props I'm o longer obese but why would obese be underlying issue, and how does high blood pressure effect the respritory system?
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They were having exactly this discussion on the radio the other day and they had an NHS consultant on who pointed about that around 30% of the population are classed as obese, 25% of the population have high blood pressure and nearly 10% of the population have asthma. He went on to say the overwhelming majority of those people have no health issues as a result and at worst take medication to control their condition. Yet they would all be classed as having an underlying health condition on the stats being produced.

Basically he was making the point there's a huge difference between saying someone had an underlying condition, which would cover a ridiculously large percentage of the population, and saying they had an underlying condition that impacted covid. Finally he said that even if you narrow it down to underlying conditions that could have a direct impact of covid you're still talking about 30% or more of the population.
 
chiefdave

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Why after weeks of arguing with Andy Burnham has Sunak now turned round and introduced the support he was asking for and being told wasn't possible?

And yet again its been changed at the last minute. My company has been through two rounds of redundancies since Sunak announced his Winter Job Support Scheme as they decided it was of no use to them as they had to pay out for staff that weren't working. We've lost around half our frontline staff, all 'viable' jobs. People that may well still be employed if this had been announced sooner.
 
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Kieranp96

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chiefdave said:
They were having exactly this discussion on the radio the other day and they had an NHS consultant on who pointed about that around 30% of the population are classed as obese, 25% of the population have high blood pressure and nearly 10% of the population have asthma. He went on to say the overwhelming majority of those people have no health issues as a result and at worst take medication to control their condition. Yet they would all be classed as having an underlying health condition on the stats being produced.

Basically he was making the point there's a huge difference between saying someone had an underlying condition, which would cover a ridiculously large percentage of the population, and saying they had an underlying condition that impacted covid. Finally he said that even if you narrow it down to underlying conditions that could have a direct impact of covid you're still talking about 30% or more of the population.
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Thats what? 20.7m give or take 😳
 
chiefdave

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Kieranp96 said:
Thats what? 20.7m give or take 😳
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Exactly. His point was the idea that you could just isolate that many people is nonsense. Also that the 'let it work through the population' people need to realise the number of potential deaths when they say it 'only' impacts people with underlying conditions.
 
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Kieranp96

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chiefdave said:
Exactly. His point was the idea that you could just isolate that many people is nonsense. Also that the 'let it work through the population' people need to realise the number of potential deaths when they say it 'only' impacts people with underlying conditions.
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I've always said I do t mind lock downs but I work from home but I can see why people don't want a lock down at the same time I think half of them are just ass holes with no respect especially when they were complaining during furlough.
 
David O'Day

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This free school meals thing ain't going anywhere, tories from such radical socialist grads such as saffron waldon and north devon are getting hammered by their constituencies
 
David O'Day

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Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s such an outrageous thing to not do. Even for bastards like them
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You think "well tories gonna tory" but at least the old tory party had a clue about what it is doing.

Take for example their support u-turn, they are are basically saying yeah it was shite wasn't it.
 
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wingy

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David O'Day said:
You think "well tories gonna tory" but at least the old tory party had a clue about what it is doing.

Take for example their support u-turn, they are are basically saying yeah it was shite wasn't it.
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Long enough to draw a few mayor's in, maybe were not expecting Blue on Blue though.
 
David O'Day

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This is the Yorkshire Evening Post which will be read in lots of those Tory "red wall" seats with tiny majorities.

It's crazy politics
 
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David O'Day said:


This is the Yorkshire Evening Post which will be read in lots of those Tory "red wall" seats with tiny majorities.

It's crazy politics
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4 years till the election though, COVID will likely disappear in that time for them to take the credit along with any economic recovery.
 
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