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Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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David O'Day said:
Not that simple, I know plenty of people who voted Brexit Party but would never vote Tory. It's a fallacy to say that if the were no BXP candidates those people who have directly voted tory.
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People who voted for Farage rather than Boris. Wow
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Ian1779 said:
I think this is a much more accurate portrayal.
The second highest category could also be easily linked to Labour’s dithering of Brexit position.
Maybe his lack of energy/lethargy came from having to run with a policy that he didn’t believe in - that said he did allow the members of party to dictate that position, and should have known that party membership does not reflect voting demographics, especially in Northern leave constituencies.
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The case was there to make that a soft Brexit was best for all sides and for national unity. However I think by that time he’s become such a punchline that he personally didn’t have the gravitas to make that case. And we probably would’ve been caught between revoke and “proper Brexit” anyway. As Starmer is finding Brexit handed 40% to the Tories that literally won’t stop voting for them even if they start starving kids and blatantly stuffing their mates pockets full of cash while running a strategy seemingly designed to kill off their very demographic.

I was watching an Ian Dunt interview the other day and a good question was raised about Remains lack of a Farage type figure who fires up the base and keeps the major party in check and the best he could come up with was the Lib Dems. I think that says it all.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
The case was there to make that a soft Brexit was best for all sides and for national unity. However I think by that time he’s become such a punchline that he personally didn’t have the gravitas to make that case. And we probably would’ve been caught between revoke and “proper Brexit” anyway. As Starmer is finding Brexit handed 40% to the Tories that literally won’t stop voting for them even if they start starving kids and blatantly stuffing their mates pockets full of cash while running a strategy seemingly designed to kill off their very demographic.

I was watching an Ian Dunt interview the other day and a good question was raised about Remains lack of a Farage type figure who fires up the base and keeps the major party in check and the best he could come up with was the Lib Dems. I think that says it all.
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You’d need the equivalent of Gordon Brown in the indyref. For some reason I’m thinking of Paddy Ashdown resurrected on crack
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don’t need to imagine when the polls show they were pulling more from the Tories fella. Indeed if it were no concern then Johnson wouldn’t have insisted on them standing down in most seats
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Only they didn't show that, they took votes from labour and the tories and they created new voters
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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David O'Day said:
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Only 3000 more people voted Tory in the largest county durham seat. As with other places such as Blyth and Bishop Auckland it was the collapse of the Labour vote
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As share of the vote they and BXP took over 13 points from Labour. With connections to the area myself it’s more than a bit baffling to see those who helped wreck the region get rewarded. Covid isn’t going to bring these seats back
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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David O'Day said:
as someone who doorstepped in 2019 there is nothing wrong with that survey

Starmer was much more popular than Corbyn even then and many people said they'd vote for labour if he was leader
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How many of them were actually aware of Starmer and the way he campaigns? He's hardly high energy is he. I like his methodical calm approach but for many in this day and age he's not going to be the general to get you to charge the trenches is he.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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With the Rashford thing while it is affirming to see this kind of behaviour it's kind of playing into the Tory playbook.

The state still isn't paying for it and those paying more in terms of percentage are those on middle incomes rather than those well-off who should be (unless they feel there's something they can gain personally be doing so)
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
With the Rashford thing while it is affirming to see this kind of behaviour it's kind of playing into the Tory playbook.

The state still isn't paying for it and those paying more in terms of percentage are those on middle incomes rather than those well-off who should be (unless they feel there's something they can gain personally be doing so)
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I guess the short term result of the kids being fed is more important but I see your point.
 
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Kieranp96

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Sky Blue Pete said:
I really don’t want someone talking up how things are gonna get better every day when it really isn’t! More evidence based decisive decision making to ensure we do get back to normal and less naive grandstanding.

That said the whole of Europe is up shit creek not least France
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Italy are right in the brink of 20k cases per day now as well, Spain and UK hitting 20k and Germany flying up out asses, but Germany deaths will be low always due to the amount of icu beds they have.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Sky Blue Pete said:
I really don’t want someone talking up how things are gonna get better every day when it really isn’t! More evidence based decisive decision making to ensure we do get back to normal and less naive grandstanding.
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Agreed, vague its going to be over in a couple of months statements from Johnson aren't helping. Do they even have a plan for getting students home and then back to unis without it being the same disaster it was a few weeks ago?

The one thing I am finding a little encouraging is that I've noticed that various experts are increasingly talking about when, not if, we will be rolling out the vaccine. Have also seen several talk about it starting to be rolled out by Xmas. That's a big change from the way they were talking about a potential vaccine at some unspecified point in the future a few weeks ago. Is there something behind that? Probably just wishful thinking.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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chiefdave said:
Agreed, vague its going to be over in a couple of months statements from Johnson aren't helping. Do they even have a plan for getting students home and then back to unis without it being the same disaster it was a few weeks ago?
The one thing I am finding a little encouraging is that I've noticed that various experts are increasingly talking about when, not if, we will be rolling out the vaccine. Have also seen several talk about it starting to be rolled out by Xmas. That's a big change from the way they were talking about a potential vaccine at some unspecified point in the future a few weeks ago. Is there something behind that? Probably just wishful thinking.
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The thing I’ve noticed Is how Chris Whitty has been benched
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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chiefdave said:
Agreed, vague its going to be over in a couple of months statements from Johnson aren't helping. Do they even have a plan for getting students home and then back to unis without it being the same disaster it was a few weeks ago?

The one thing I am finding a little encouraging is that I've noticed that various experts are increasingly talking about when, not if, we will be rolling out the vaccine. Have also seen several talk about it starting to be rolled out by Xmas. That's a big change from the way they were talking about a potential vaccine at some unspecified point in the future a few weeks ago. Is there something behind that? Probably just wishful thinking.
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They're softening the public up to the vaccine being issued without a license
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
How many of them were actually aware of Starmer and the way he campaigns? He's hardly high energy is he. I like his methodical calm approach but for many in this day and age he's not going to be the general to get you to charge the trenches is he.
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people don't really care about that
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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David O'Day said:
they are trebling down on the we are scum messaging

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What nasty pricks. “Oh my governments intervention doesn’t work according to this anecdote from my ass, therefore kids should starve”. Always excuses never action with the Tories. Snivelling shits.

Ive been getting increasingly pissed Off with the left but shit like this puts it all in perspective.

Mood:

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David O'Day

David O'Day

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They are now claiming drug dealers will take food for drugs
 
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