fernandopartridge
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Meaningless without full detail on what 'pre-existing condition' means.
Old graph? Extra 13k deaths or have they changed something.View attachment 17292
I’m shocked by the numbers on this. Who'd have thought that there was 547 over 80's without a pre existing condition?
Meaningless without full detail on what 'pre-existing condition' means.
NHS only. Not care homes etc.Old graph? Extra 13k deaths or have they changed something.
1400 deaths, with no preexisting condition, I wonder how many of the 1400 had one that was just not diagnosed.What it does show that the younger you are the more likely you are to die without a pre-existing condition. Or more likely that the older you are the more likely you are to have what's defined as a pre existing condition.
Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.What it does show that the younger you are the more likely you are to die without a pre-existing condition. Or more likely that the older you are the more likely you are to have what's defined as a pre existing condition.
I'm sat here thinking what outside what they listed could have such an effect in the body that would cause rona to be more deadly.So, just 71% in the 'Other' category there. As I said, meaningless.
Dementia has been shown to effect organs via the brain its complicated but there is evidence there.Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
I'm sat here thinking what outside what they listed could have such an effect in the body that would cause rona to be more deadly.
Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
Would that be a underlying issue though? I tell you something I've been obese for a good 14 years of my life, I've had 0 issues health wise, props I'm o longer obese but why would obese be underlying issue, and how does high blood pressure effect the respritory system?High blood pressure is one
I strongly suspect being overweight or obese is another
Fair enough. Kind of shows 'underlying condition' is meaningless though, as it breaks down to 'society and its many different conditions'.The reason why they're high is probably due to care homes, i.e. care homes don't just exist for the elderly
I think they've separated those out specifically because people died in mental health care and not hospitals. Just reading the notes on the screenshot I put up. Therefore they were in the NHS, but not specifically because of Covid.Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
I wondered that myself, i think it's probably more the case that being obese is often associated with other comorbidities.Would that be a underlying issue though? I tell you something I've been obese for a good 14 years of my life, I've had 0 issues health wise, props I'm o longer obese but why would obese be underlying issue, and how does high blood pressure effect the respritory system?
Pay higher than the highest NHS employed brain surgeon. Why not admit the centrally commissioned service is flawed ffs? Ministers useless, DH officials just as fucking stupid
Some of those are slightly unusual too. Mental health illness? Learning disability? Dementia? Now... maybe somebody has done a study on those, but to the layman they don't seem the type of condition that would affect a respitatory condition.
They were having exactly this discussion on the radio the other day and they had an NHS consultant on who pointed about that around 30% of the population are classed as obese, 25% of the population have high blood pressure and nearly 10% of the population have asthma. He went on to say the overwhelming majority of those people have no health issues as a result and at worst take medication to control their condition. Yet they would all be classed as having an underlying health condition on the stats being produced.Would that be a underlying issue though? I tell you something I've been obese for a good 14 years of my life, I've had 0 issues health wise, props I'm o longer obese but why would obese be underlying issue, and how does high blood pressure effect the respritory system?
Thats what? 20.7m give or takeThey were having exactly this discussion on the radio the other day and they had an NHS consultant on who pointed about that around 30% of the population are classed as obese, 25% of the population have high blood pressure and nearly 10% of the population have asthma. He went on to say the overwhelming majority of those people have no health issues as a result and at worst take medication to control their condition. Yet they would all be classed as having an underlying health condition on the stats being produced.
Basically he was making the point there's a huge difference between saying someone had an underlying condition, which would cover a ridiculously large percentage of the population, and saying they had an underlying condition that impacted covid. Finally he said that even if you narrow it down to underlying conditions that could have a direct impact of covid you're still talking about 30% or more of the population.
Exactly. His point was the idea that you could just isolate that many people is nonsense. Also that the 'let it work through the population' people need to realise the number of potential deaths when they say it 'only' impacts people with underlying conditions.Thats what? 20.7m give or take
I've always said I do t mind lock downs but I work from home but I can see why people don't want a lock down at the same time I think half of them are just ass holes with no respect especially when they were complaining during furlough.Exactly. His point was the idea that you could just isolate that many people is nonsense. Also that the 'let it work through the population' people need to realise the number of potential deaths when they say it 'only' impacts people with underlying conditions.
Nadine Dorries says she no longer has Covid-19 antibodies
Nadine Dorries told MPs she is "no longer immune" to coronavirus as she rejected the notion that there can be herd immunity without a vaccine.www.standard.co.uk
It’s such an outrageous thing to not do. Even for bastards like themThis free school meals thing ain't going anywhere, tories from such radical socialist grads such as saffron waldon and north devon are getting hammered by their constituencies
It’s such an outrageous thing to not do. Even for bastards like them
Long enough to draw a few mayor's in, maybe were not expecting Blue on Blue though.You think "well tories gonna tory" but at least the old tory party had a clue about what it is doing.
Take for example their support u-turn, they are are basically saying yeah it was shite wasn't it.
This is the Yorkshire Evening Post which will be read in lots of those Tory "red wall" seats with tiny majorities.
It's crazy politics
4 years till the election though, COVID will likely disappear in that time for them to take the credit along with any economic recovery.
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