shmmeee
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Cases aren’t really comparable to the start when we were only testing those presenting to hospital really. We’re probably picking up 10-20 times more than we were then (numbers from my ass)
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Cases aren’t really comparable to the start when we were only testing those presenting to hospital really. We’re probably picking up 10-20 times more than we were then (numbers from my ass)
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Good point.
But the upward trend is still worrying and I fear we'll sleepwalk into another situation whereby people start needing hospitalising as it spreads into the more vulnerable areas, plus as we go into flu season the effect of possibly having two bad respiratory diseases at once, the system becomes stretched and people start dying in greater numbers, At which point Hancock et al will be out blaming the public for (not) doing something. Or the hospital/care workers for (not) following guidelines. Basically anything but their own incompetence and inability to lead.
The reports that care homes are being coerced into taking positive patients are shocking and shows that not only have they learnt nothing, they don't care. If it were a home their own parent/grandparent was in and it was taking in Covid positive patients they'd be the first up in arms about it. Complete lack of empathy, which for me is requirement no.1 to hold public office.
About 4-5 times from my mine.
shmmeee
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Oh yeah totally. That’s my worry is people thinking it’s got milder because the case to death ratio has risen, when really were just a month or so earlier in the process.
Skybluefaz
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People have had enough of the experts...
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tbf, if they decide to put steps in place now to stop it spiralling any more, that would at least be learning from last time. Will also give more of a chance of avoiding such drastic measures again so would be better for the economy...
shmmeee
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Could we New Zealand it this time? Cut travel out pretty much completely then a short lockdown to stop its spread here? Would people go for that or has the crazy horse bolted now and people won’t be told what to do?
David O'Day
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Community transmission is too high now, even if we cut travel and lockdown it is still likely to spread in food shops and emergency workers.
Horse was well and truly bolted
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I think we lost our chance of that, when we opened up a couple of weeks too early, before we'd squashed it fully flat. Think our best hope is indeed keep it manageable. I fear end October could be bad though - tbf it seems government are at least listening to experts just atm, at least... we'll see if the message is remotely intelligible this time around!
Skybluefaz
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Remember when we weren't supposed to travel to Greece and the prime minister's own father found a loophole around it and laughed his cock off at the rest of us? Some people hold that sort of behavior up as inspirational it seems.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Why wait until Tuesday FFS?.....This weekend will now be like NYE in most northern cities & towns.
chiefdave
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It may not be meant that way but when we're in the middle of a pandemic and there's a highly contagious, potentially deadly virus you must be able to see why people would have issue with what can come across as screw the vulnerable, lets just open everything up and hope for the best.
I don't see that we can realistically open things up while protecting the vulnerable. You're not just talking about people who were told to shield, you're talking about a huge percentage of the population. Ignoring any mental health issues if you've got the rest of the country back to something approaching normal while they are locked up at home how does it work financially?
Most people with underlying conditions wouldn't qualify for a sick note for a day off let alone any sort of disability benefits. Do you extend furlough, if so who makes the call on who is vulnerable. Can you weigh yourself and self certify?
It makes a great soundbite, 'protect the vulnerable and everyone else can get back to normal', but once you drill down into what would actually be required it quickly unravels.
Where is that figure from mate? Tried googling it and not seeing anything come up.
clint van damme
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And their 2nd wave started a few weeks ago approximately a fortnight after schools went back. Very worrying
fernandopartridge
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It's mostly window dressing though isn't it. Like shmmeee or someone else said previously. There was a quid pro quo to the first lockdown:
The public comply with lockdown measures
The government implement measures to avoid the need for a future lockdown (testing capacity, effective track and trace, hospital capacity, coordinated financial support for people effected by local lockdowns etc)
As I see it, the public kept its side of the bargain but the government has failed on its side, yet tries to blame the public for it.
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Yeah, tbf I was trying to be positive!
I agree with your second paragraph btw, that is what the deal should have been.
chiefdave
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Completely agree with these posts. People talk about underlying conditions like it refers to people already at deaths door. I'd be classed as having, at least, two underlying conditions yet nothing that impacts my day to day life. I've had two days sick off work in the last 15 years and that was to go into hospital for an op!
chiefdave
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I'd suggest you are correct that it was a PR exercise. Seems when hospitals that were overflowing tried to transfer patients there they were told it wasn't possible as there was no staff.
Nurse shortage causes Nightingale hospital to turn away patients
Exclusive: Covid-19 patient transfers to new London facility cancelled owing to lack of ICU nurses
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Although there's no one size fits all and NZ will be different to here in terms of density, climate etc you would think it'd be one of the first places you'd look to emulate in future. But we won't because it's not a massive economy and we're obsessed with money and following what they do, regardless of whether the economy is particularly relevant to whatever it is we're looking at.
David O'Day
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I'd suggest you are correct that it was a PR exercise. Seems when hospitals that were overflowing tried to transfer patients there they were told it wasn't possible as there was no staff.
Nurse shortage causes Nightingale hospital to turn away patients
Exclusive: Covid-19 patient transfers to new London facility cancelled owing to lack of ICU nurseswww.theguardian.com
Which they should of forseen as they increased the number of ICU beds but not the number of ICU nurses.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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They're 'listening' because they're not telling them to shut things down.
If it gets to the stage where infections etc are getting ridiculously high and they suggest it, they'll stop listening and just do whatever the hell they please, just like always.
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Coronavirus: 'Widespread virus growth across the country'
The R number has risen to between 1.1 and 1.4 as officials warn of "far worse things to come".
www.bbc.co.uk
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New Zealand backs lockdown strategy despite record contraction
Economy shrinks 12.2% but Wellington adamant restrictions will lead to strong recovery
chiefdave
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So their economy shrank by 12.2% and ours by 20.4%New Zealand backs lockdown strategy despite record contraction
Economy shrinks 12.2% but Wellington adamant restrictions will lead to strong recoverywww.ft.com
We’re at 627 deaths per million, their figure is 5.
Thoroughly depressing how much of a mess we’ve made of this from every angle.
Coronavirus: 'Widespread virus growth across the country'
The R number has risen to between 1.1 and 1.4 as officials warn of "far worse things to come".www.bbc.co.uk
I'm surprised that testing is picking up such a high proportion of cases if the 6000 figure is accurate. By the time you take off the asymptomatic cases (20 to 40% depending on which research you use), those who can't get a test who have it and those who think they probably have a cold and don't get a test and so on it's a pretty high %.
4300 odd positives this afternoon.
tommydazzle
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Hancock being economical with the truth re the 6.4 miles as the average distance travelled for the Covid test. He’s used the median to avoid the skewing upwards
of those folk who may have travelled long distances but more crucially the stat doesn’t include people who were offered the tests perhaps at ridiculous distances and did not take them.
of those folk who may have travelled long distances but more crucially the stat doesn’t include people who were offered the tests perhaps at ridiculous distances and did not take them.
fernandopartridge
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He's a disingenuous c**t
Sky Blue Pete
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Over 20 deaths again too
skybluetony176
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And many other types of cunts besides.
skybluetony176
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Basically think of any type of c**t. That’s Matt Hancock.
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It would be nice to think that the guy would be given a minimum of 5 years for this.
Sky Blue Pete
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Complete wanker and interesting not giving a toss about being on cctv