hill83
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Whichever one you are in will do x
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Whichever one you are in will do x
The R rate figure given today is for the week ending 12/12, so already 6 days out of date. I'm sure totting up all the stats is a huge job, it just strikes me as strange that in a fast moving pandemic we are releasing such outdated figures. Over the past week case numbers have gone up around 40% so in real time the R rate is going to be higher.
28,500 cases today, certainly being driven by London and the South.
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With a headline like this, we know what's inevitable...
Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown
No 10 sources said the PM chaired meetings on Friday amid "growing concerns" about Covid infection rates.
www.bbc.co.uk
David O'Day
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The wet one then
fernandopartridge
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The Torygraph reporting about this 'mutant strain'. I can't help but think it's all a bit convenient, can't the government try to be honest about the utter disaster they continue to oversee?
SBAndy
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With a headline like this, we know what's inevitable...
Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown
No 10 sources said the PM chaired meetings on Friday amid "growing concerns" about Covid infection rates.www.bbc.co.uk
If/when we do this, can we do it properly this time and not allow places like B&M stay open because they sell a few chocolate bars. It just encourages people to go out. Furlough scheme is there, and provide additional targeted financial support.
Part of my frustration at this point is that I’ve adhered to the rules, barely left the house for months aside from the weekly food shop or my morning runs and now it’s spoken like relaxing for this 5 days over Christmas will be the most heinous crime.
clint van damme
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and where would I have got the cheap as chips solar powered fairy lights that lit up my garden as I sat outside drinking into the early hours - honestly, some people!
tisza
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Hard to see why lessons aren't being learnt from what has happened in US since so many ignored the Thanksgiving warnings. Again warnings were used rather than measures enforced. Faucci saying post Xmas there will be worse because it is a longer holiday.
There's a country on the other side of the world With a population of circa 1.4 B.
The disease there has pretty much been eliminated from around May time .
Then I found an interesting article.
www.theguardian.com
The disease there has pretty much been eliminated from around May time .
Then I found an interesting article.
Can we trust Chinese Covid-19 science?
The west has been wary of China’s rise as a scientific superpower, but the pandemic has made it impossible to ignore
I agree there is almost no doubt that case numbers will increase but when did we become of country of people not wanting to take personal responsibility ?!
We all know the risks and people are rightly making their own choices depending on their own personal circumstances. I’m choosing not to see my higher risk mum and step dad but why should it be illegal for others to make a different choice, especially if they are alone, may not have many Christmas’ left etc etc ?!
I’d also like to see the latest stats about people’s exercise/attempts to improve own health/fitness etc which we all know improves people’s chances of survival and helps minimise the impact of Covid for most people. From the stats after the first wave in which all age groups other than over 65s saw their exercise levels decrease, it appears the country (and I’m guessing a lot of the western world) want everything closed down but then not even willing to do anything themselves to improve their chances if they did get it ?!
I have no issue with the government taking certain steps to minimise transmission. I’ve said before that looking at changes in term times, short periods of online learning (BSB mentioned extending school days to allow longer breaks/circuit breaks) for secondary schools and unis would be sensible. However, if a majority of people are not even willing to take responsibility for their own health/fitness then how can we justify doing a lot the other stuff that’s having a direct impact on people’s livelihoods, health (people not having docs appointments/reduced screenings etc), mental health and wellbeing
Saturday rant over ! Enjoy your weekend all (and fingers crossed at least a point at Wednesday)
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Grendel
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It reminds me of a time when I was on an empty M45 in a RWD drive car and heavy snow belting down. No winter tyres and traction ineffective
I could have driven at 70 mph but clearly did not. I had to make a decision on my own risk assessment
tisza
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That'll open a can of worms. Has it ever recovered from the "I'm all right Jack" culture that Thatcherism encouraged? Is it about personal responsibility or having a duty of care / responsibility for others?
You can just as easily speak to the cost that smoking, excess drinking and obesity have been putting on the NHS and other services for years. Can't deny them access to healthcare because they have ignored years of advice/warnings about the consequences of what they are doing to their health.
Is the counter point of view that every new case of COVID is because somewhere someone has either made a mistake or just ignored the guidelines/recommendations etc ?
Also there is a culture of looking for loopholes for the sake of it.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don’t see what relaxation of the rules has taken place. Everywhere around me is shut except for takeaway fast food, family can’t or are too scared to see me and I’ve spent the last 3-4 months teaching in a box to people who are allowed to be all over each other because someone said they’re in a bubble.
Everything good is cancelled and has been since early November, that hasn’t changed. What else is left except making it a crime to see someone on Christmas Day?
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If you're alone, you'd be bubbled with somebody anyway. As I said, I'd have rather stricter restrictions, but turning a blind eye if and when people broke them, rather than effectively encouraging and condoning it. We had certain outcries against particular groups earlier in this, when they were expected to forego their festivities. It's inevitable some will choose to break whatever regulations are in place, but we're back in the world of muddied messaging when government allows it, but also warns against it - a bit like the don't go to the pub, but they can stay open, that was at the start of this. I do appreciate having made a commitment, to go back on it might decrease trust in future directives, so I am reasonably sympathetic, but it's in danger of fiddling again.. and that usually makes it worse than it need have been, down the line.
As also mentioned, the irony of the rules as they stand is I can't see my family, when it would be 'safest' for me to do so, after a period of effective isolation. I do appreciate some places physically can't shut down in advance, but places that could... it would have been nice if they'd given a sufficient period beforehand to enable people to isolate for that Christmas break, if they must release the restrictions.
Got to say,hope that after this period, they do recognise the need for some kind of shutdown to allow the inevitable increase in cases to at least blow itself out in relatively discrete areas, rather than potentially spreading to those who chose not to see people, anyway!
Hey ho (ho ho).
In a pandemic winter, Christmas is simply not that important
Other faiths have managed to give up their celebrations and pilgrimages. Surely we can put up with a low-key Christmas?
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Grendel
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No not really.
clint van damme
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I've not checked any of this to see if it's true but a bit dodgy if it is:
I think you can take personal responsibility and also have a duty of care to others. For example if people do mix households over Christmas then to they could/should more strictly self isolate themselves for a short period after - I’d imagine many will inadvertently in any event due to time of year, being off work etc etc
If the polls are an accurate indication, a majority of people sound like they will choose not to actively mix households over Christmas even with the relaxation of rules. That is people taking personal responsibility. I’m just saying it shouldn’t be illegal if people choose otherwise
ps in terms of the comparison of booze/obesity. I’m not arguing for supermarkets/pubs to close even though I probably drink too much at weekends. Many people are calling for stricter/harsher lockdowns and then not taking personal responsibility to try to get themselves fitter/healthier which would help them if they got the virus. Not quite an accurate comparison but you get the point
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Skybluefaz
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Arrfgghh, they do walk among us. Waiting to post some stuff at the one stop and some twat starts telling me about how covid is a hoax and it's just to get us to take a vaccine so they can track us. Ffs.
Saddlebrains
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Boris Conference at 4pm.
Christmas is being cancelled ladies and gents. The right call i feel
Christmas is being cancelled ladies and gents. The right call i feel
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Great
Brighton Sky Blue
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Would rather watch City
Saddlebrains
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Brighton Sky Blue
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That’s how they tend to work.
hill83
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Yeah, and hopefully less deadly as a result. Still shit news though.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Absolutely, I would take more infectious and less dangerous if one had to choose.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Are there early thoughts on the implications of the new strain on the vaccines being rolled out?
hill83
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Same, but short term it’s doing nothing for releasing us from this constant lockdown bollocks.
hill83
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Not thought to be an issue hopefully.
How a new Covid strain may have spread virus in south of England
While variant seems to spread more quickly, it does not appear to be more dangerous
Nick
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Is that the one that took over London and other places in Tier 2? Knobs.