Grendel
Well-Known Member
I certainly blame them for it
Not after any xenophobic responses and not asking it for reasons that are the same, but, do you blame China for this and believe that the Chinese state ought to support the rest of the world to the greatest extent possible to mitigate this?
Scientists say UK virus strategy 'risks lives'
229 scientists have apparently written to Boris and said we are not doing enough and our current strategy is putting lives at risk.
Concerts now all cancelled this really is becoming a joke - it reminds me of the 80’s when we were told to hide under tables if a nuclear war happened
Not after any xenophobic responses and not asking it for reasons that are the same, but, do you blame China for this and believe that the Chinese state ought to support the rest of the world to the greatest extent possible to mitigate this?
Except that people are actually dying right now, of course. So not really a joke.
And anyway, hiding under a table was the Government’s formal advice at the time, are you telling us that we shouldn’t trust the Government’s experts?
And there’s the issue in a nutshell,
I’ve no problem with a science based approach to tackling the problem, but it’s deeply concerning that so many scientists differ.
It’s even more worrying that there’s no willingness to share the data upon which these critical decisions are being taken.
True science is based on sharing information and being open to challenge about your hypotheses, methods, and conclusions; what’s currently happening is beginning to seem closer to politics and spin.
They’re responsible for it so they take the blame as far as I’m concerned.
Regarding your question of whether they should offer global support, it will be interesting to see how involved they become when the virus rampages through Africa.
Given the fact that large sectors of their manufacturing industries owe their success to extensive mineral mining interests in the continent, one would hope that they’ll be first in line with aid and expertise.
Somehow I doubt it.
That narrative isn't in his post at all. Do you think this is Chinese altruism?Actually yesterday a China Air plane from Shanghai landed in Rome, on board were 9 real experts who helped quell it in China (so they know what they’re doing unlike our bunch of clowns), 1,000 ventilators, 100,000 masks, 20,000 protective suits and 50,000 test kits- with more to come.
You can google it and see. But then again that might deflect from your narrative of the dirty nasty Chinese laughing away at everyone else.
Have they confirmed where it actually started?
I know people are on about bats and dogs but what about labs etc?
Things like this surely don't randomly appear.
A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
What do you do if you need a Jimmy riddle?Random, chance evolution is the basis of Darwinson, no? Randomly evolved in bats then passed on via chickens is one speculation.
I do worry about our species though
A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
The people who don’t like foreigners & see everything as “us v them” (we have a few on here) mostly assume that everyone else thinks the same way. They don’t.That narrative isn't in his post at all. Do you think this is Chinese altruism?
Random, chance evolution is the basis of Darwinson, no? Randomly evolved in bats then passed on via chickens is one speculation.
I do worry about our species though
A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
Could it be an employee removing out of date produce ?They'll probably get mad cow disease from that mince.
Death always find a way.
I want you to draw me like one of your French girls wearing this..... wearing only this.....
Err no .Could it be an employee removing out of date produce ?
Don't know if anyone has put it up but NI is likely to be having a sixteen week shutdown but not yet..
Edit:- Schools that is.
Not after any xenophobic responses and not asking it for reasons that are the same, but, do you blame China for this and believe that the Chinese state ought to support the rest of the world to the greatest extent possible to mitigate this?
And there’s the issue in a nutshell,
I’ve no problem with a science based approach to tackling the problem, but it’s deeply concerning that so many scientists differ.
It’s even more worrying that there’s no willingness to share the data upon which these critical decisions are being taken.
True science is based on sharing information and being open to challenge about your hypotheses, methods, and conclusions; what’s currently happening is beginning to seem closer to politics and spin.
The epicentre may be in China but you have to look at the details of the outbreak and what caused it in the first place. Could happen anywhere really, swine flu started in Mexico for instance under very similar circumstances. Too easy to just point the finger at China and say there’s the bogeyman. It’s a far far wider issue and a worldwide problem.Not after any xenophobic responses and not asking it for reasons that are the same, but, do you blame China for this and believe that the Chinese state ought to support the rest of the world to the greatest extent possible to mitigate this?
Not after any xenophobic responses and not asking it for reasons that are the same, but, do you blame China for this and believe that the Chinese state ought to support the rest of the world to the greatest extent possible to mitigate this?
- Not at all
- To some extent
- Very much so
- Don’t know
Although it’s agreed that the virus originated in China, I think it’s unfair to blame them for its rapid spread. So many people travel globally regularly, that any virus will be world wide in a week.
Do we blame Africa for aids, or the UK for CJD?
If it’s proved to be a natural virus, (As in natural to mammals and not developed in a lab). Then I guess there was always a risk to humans, and it was only a matter of time before it spread.
I’m still amazed by the absolute panic that it’s caused, it’s not dangerous to fit and healthy individuals.
And why arnt we hearing from people who have had it and recovered?
All Zoonotic diseases and virus’s. Along with bovine TB which has repeatedly been an issue in the U.K. and other countries. If bovine TB mutates, passes to domestic animals (which it can) and then passes on to humans (which it can) and this particular strain wipes out tens of thousands of humans is it the fault of the country where it first happened? Seems when the whole world lives in such close proximity to animals, work with livestock for meat and dairy the risk of zoonotic illnesses will always be there. It can simply be a roll of the dice where these things arise first.Although it’s agreed that the virus originated in China, I think it’s unfair to blame them for its rapid spread. So many people travel globally regularly, that any virus will be world wide in a week.
Do we blame Africa for aids, or the UK for CJD?
If it’s proved to be a natural virus, (As in natural to mammals and not developed in a lab). Then I guess there was always a risk to humans, and it was only a matter of time before it spread.
I’m still amazed by the absolute panic that it’s caused, it’s not dangerous to fit and healthy individuals.
And why arnt we hearing from people who have had it and recovered?
Ive got my doubts about this strategy and I agree with the thrust of the letter (release data), but the people signing it are hardly experts in their fields or in relevant fields.
I guess you’d rather live in Italy or Spain would you?
I’m not entirely sure how you come to the opinion regarding the lack of expertise, there are no shortage of public health experts challenging the UK’s approach.
How about this chap, who teaches and researches at Harvard, he obviously isn’t of the opinion that our approach makes sense. He seems to make a number of good points.
There are lots of very well qualified people disagreeing with the strategy. I’m just saying that letter isn’t from them.
FWIW I disagree with the strategy. I have a science degree and would’ve been counted had I signed that letter. My opinion isn’t worth any more than any other random when it comes to this though.
Edit: the one from the immunologists is a different matter.
They want to get rid of that utter fucking drip Hancock and give him a job more in keeping with his intellect.so the experts talk about herd immunity, 24 hours later Matt Hancock says that was never the plan. Yesterday Matt Hancock says the over 70s have to stay indoors for 4 months, today Vallance and Whitty disagree with that and say it’s a bad idea.
Do any of them have any idea what they want to do?
They want to get rid of that utter fucking drip Hancock and give him a job more in keeping with his intellect.
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