I mentioned this idea yesterday, Brighton did it at the Withdean and survived and im sure they had temporary stands, what about the Butts idea again, If they agreed pay for a new pitch, 1temporary stand, get around 8000 in there, if either of these plans came to fruition CCC would squirm!!
I think there's a loophole where you can have a temporary stand up for something like 30 days without planning permission. Although on a practical level if you're talking multiple stands for 15K you obviously wouldn't be able to keep taking them up and down to avoid getting planning permission.You’d still need planning for a temp structure I assume?
I think there's a loophole where you can have a temporary stand up for something like 30 days without planning permission. Although on a practical level if you're talking multiple stands for 15K you obviously wouldn't be able to keep taking them up and down to avoid getting planning permission.
I think there's a loophole where you can have a temporary stand up for something like 30 days without planning permission. Although on a practical level if you're talking multiple stands for 15K you obviously wouldn't be able to keep taking them up and down to avoid getting planning permission.
I think the end game is something, anything, that makes Joy feel vindicated at this point. I think it stopped being about CCFC or the financial aspects some time ago. I agree I can’t see how even a positive outcome for Sisu results in the club getting the Ricoh. I’m yet to be convinced if Wasps go bust they disappear and don’t just get reincarnated like football teams do. But I won’t pretend to understand rugby finances. Best bet is likely some cash settlement I’d guess. Though the way Sisu have dragged their heels on a new ground suggests they think the Ricoh is still a long term possibility. Otherwise they’d be a bit more motivated to get going on it.
Why not just sit tight and wait for the outcome of the EU court ruling?Lets assume there is something to the story of a new ground at the university, with the uni also posting a statement there seems to be. Could we build a temporary ground there while the main ground is going through planning and being built?
There's a fair bit of land up there, not entirely sure what belongs to the uni. Its certainly technically possible, several of the London Olympic venues were temporary.
Of course it sounds a bit ridiculous but its been done before. After the earthquake in New Zealand they built a new, temporary, stadium in 100 days. 18,000 capacity and designed to last 3-5 years. Was built by the company who handed London 2012 and also the new Spurs stadium.
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Why not just sit tight and wait for the outcome of the EU court ruling?
With that out of the way, the legal battle will be over, and the current impasse will be over. We can then look at all options available and make a decision without all of the current uncertainty.
What’s the end game here?
Do you believe the club’s goal is to obtain control of the RICOH?
If so, I’d like to know your thoughts on how the club could realistically go about this?
Id guess some half arsed strategy exists along the lines of busting wasps and trying to purchase the lease when the lease falls into the admin process - it does not necessarily go back to the council if ACL falls into administration
wasps finances are poor and therefore there has to be a risk of this - so they will not want us back while that exposure exists and the council certainly will not
But why piss money up the wall (potentially at least). On a new stadium that we won’t need once wasps have gone bankrupt, fucked off out of Cov or decided to ground share with some other sports club.You think that’ll happen any time soon? Or that it’s the last avenue that could be pursued? With appeals you could be talking longer than the five years for a new ground anyway.
I think the end game is something, anything, that makes Joy feel vindicated at this point. I think it stopped being about CCFC or the financial aspects some time ago. I agree I can’t see how even a positive outcome for Sisu results in the club getting the Ricoh. I’m yet to be convinced if Wasps go bust they disappear and don’t just get reincarnated like football teams do. But I won’t pretend to understand rugby finances. Best bet is likely some cash settlement I’d guess. Though the way Sisu have dragged their heels on a new ground suggests they think the Ricoh is still a long term possibility. Otherwise they’d be a bit more motivated to get going on it.
You’re a man of the world G. What happens if Wasps go bust? Is there an admin process like in football where someone can pick them up debt free but with the “golden share” and any assets they negotiate? Or are they just wiped from the league and someone else comes up to replace them like Bury?
Id guess some half arsed strategy exists along the lines of busting wasps and trying to purchase the lease when the lease falls into the admin process - it does not necessarily go back to the council if ACL falls into administration
wasps finances are poor and therefore there has to be a risk of this - so they will not want us back while that exposure exists and the council certainly will not
Id guess some half arsed strategy exists along the lines of busting wasps and trying to purchase the lease when the lease falls into the admin process - it does not necessarily go back to the council if ACL falls into administration
wasps finances are poor and therefore there has to be a risk of this - so they will not want us back while that exposure exists and the council certainly will not
I might be thinking of that, I guess @Travs would know a fair bit but maybe I imagined there was a little stand. A bit like the one at Pingles.
What’s the end game here?
Do you believe the club’s goal is to obtain control of the RICOH?
If so, I’d like to know your thoughts on how the club could realistically go about this?
I’ve got three genuine questions I hope you could shed some light on:
In what circumstances would the lease automatically go to CCC?
Similarly, what happens for there to an admin process to purchase the lease?
Carrying on from the last question, couldn’t the CCC make a bid that CCFC couldn’t match? In the same way SISU managed to maintain control of the club when we went into admin in 2013.
The EU complaint rules the agreement with Wasps was illegal and either levies huge financial penalties or somehow declares the original deal void (Wasps are supposedly sufficiently worried about this scenario that they're demanding indemnity)
Wasps face bankruptcy and are forced to either bail from Cov entirely and groundshare elsewhere, or ask the council for a sweetheart deal/peppercorn rent at the Ricoh while they try to sort their finances. The council likely accepts.
With Wasps reeling and the council taking a bath on the Ricoh, SISU return to the negotiating table, offering to take a controlling stake on the same terms Wasps had. The council and Wasps insist on a deal loaded with NDAs that allow them to hand everything over in a way that doesn't totally humiliate them and makes it look like they had our best interests at heart the whole time. We go back to debating whether James Collins would be worth a punt - he's a City fan you know!
Possible sticking points (and they're big ones!):
- The above process takes so long the EFL won't allow us to groundshare at Birmingham that long
- Wasps secure alternative financing that keeps them afloat indefinitely
- Interest in CCFC/viability of the Ricoh dwindles to the point where it no longer makes financial sense for SISU to hang on to their investment
- The council is still so bitter that it chooses financial ruin over any kind of deal with SISU (or somehow pulls another suitor out of the bag like it did with Wasps in 2014)
- SISU's hubris means they refuse to accept any compromise deal that doesn't end in Wasps and the council being completely humbled
The way to circumvent all of that of course is to build our own stadium - a solution so obvious that it begs the question why we've spent six years with Wasps in Coventry and have only a joint statement with Warwick University to show for it. Either SISU are terrible at building stadiums, or they're not actually that interested.
Once again...I mentioned this idea yesterday, Brighton did it at the Withdean and survived and im sure they had temporary stands, what about the Butts idea again, If they agreed pay for a new pitch, 1temporary stand, get around 8000 in there, if either of these plans came to fruition CCC would squirm!!
100% #hedgefundsdontbuildfootballgrounds #dreamsarejustdreams #callmethebogeymanbutijusttellthetruth #weaintgonnabeshittingonthevillanextseasonI just can’t believe any of it. I know you said let’s assume but I really can’t.
I’m not having a go as it’s obvious we need to move on so I do agree but we really aren’t going to be building our new ground.
the timing was clearly to satisfy the EFL and fans. It was a quickly made up story with view to breaking Friday’s dreadful news. I just pray something happens and you are on to something.
Why? What's the price they may have to pay if no development happens? Worldwide boycott of rich overseas students seeking highly sought degrees?Exactly. They don’t get involved involved in these games.
Mark - wondering if on your next correspondence with Joy if you ask for fans to have regular monthly updates on the progression to building a stadium. Regular comms on the matter supported by evidence of site location to full build will gain a lot of support.
Probably through the courts? That'll show 'em!What’s the end game here?
Do you believe the club’s goal is to obtain control of the RICOH?
If so, I’d like to know your thoughts on how the club could realistically go about this?
Don't the Uni have something for athletics? I am no expert but I am sure i have seen something up there.
(Obviously it isn't going to be a championship quality stadium)
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