I think theres a bit as well that says the comments he made were justified based on his dealings with SISU.
It also then goes on to say that his comments need to be seen in the context of being straight talking and speaking on behalf of the people of the city.
It is pretty clear cut isn't it? Whether he said it in reply to a question, in a media statement or not it came out of his mouth. Which was the point
It then changes from him being the voice of the people and being proud about it to:
But his words were:
At the end of the day, it is quite clear he said it and that he thought it. Lots of fans do and did, the difference is they aren't council leaders who have agreed to a code of conductIn the first document it says he made the comments speaking for the people of the city, then it changes to him doing things as a fan....
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You really think the Rugby club were saying they could go in 50/50?
Club went into admin because ACL were going to put them into admin.
Not sure where the above comment came from in this thread but you do realise the club themselves were threatening to do that first don't you?
Then it actually happened because ACL were going to... So they pipped them to it.
I think the club (Seppalla) were 'threatening' liquidation.
Personally I'd take administration if Sisu would let it go and the players and golden share were still in the right place :thinking about:
You tell meI can't see how anyone would not believe that is how Mr Mutton felt.
I think it is how he felt (just my opinion)
He is a life long Cov fan. Lots of people felt like that.
So as Council leader is he allowed to repeat what an MP said in Parliment is that breaking the codes of ethics?
You tell meis that showing respect to somebody you are meant to be working with?
Of course he is a human, so you don't sat it on a radio show as the council leader. You say it behind closed doors or in the pub...
To be honest with you if I invested my money in a hedge fund I would want them to fit that description.
However I am sure it wasn't meant as a compliment.
I guess that where the different responsibilities lay.
If a charity and a council run a community asset they have their feet in both camps. Profit but not purely at the expense of what is best for the community.
Where as a private company are likely to be driven purely by profit in their decision making.
Do you think the comment is genuinely damaging, offensive and upsetting to SISU?
You tell meis that showing respect to somebody you are meant to be working with?
Of course he is a human, so you don't sat it on a radio show as the council leader. You say it behind closed doors or in the pub...
So was that him showing respect to them? In which case isn't that part of his code of conduct?
I presume it's not breaking the code of ethics as he is agreeing with what has already been said. It's not massively rude or disrespectful. He could have said it in a more professional way such as he believes SISU are driven solely by profits and nothing else. That he needs to see that they can make decisions that are for the good fir the community and football club. before they can move on to other business such as selling ACL.
Then it actually happened because ACL were going to... So they pipped them to it.
I need to stop posting when I'm pissed off.
Mind you I would probably never post
So if I was to quote and agree with something racist, homophobic then it's ok? (Not that I am saying he is that).
I think you are ignoring my 3rd/4th line about it not been massively rude or disrespectful.
Do you think the comment is genuinely damaging, offensive and upsetting to SISU?
I'm personally not fussed, I don't find most things offensive. I am sure they didn't lose sleep.
The only point was if it broke the code of conduct isn't it?
It's the fact that it was clear from the start the outcome, it was shown he had to declare the other interests which he didn't but was said to have not done anything wrong. If they had said "it was minor, he has been educated now and it is sorted" then you can see it's being dealt with can't you?
I may not have read into the declaring interests one, properly to be honest. Didn't the outcome find he had stopped declaring after he had no financial interest which looking at the way other councils do it, that is the right thing to do?
He insists that interest had only ceased to have been declared in 2012 because it was not a pecuniary interest and he was no longer required to register it.
Mr Goacher says in other authorities it wouldn’t have had to have been registered, but under Coventry’s code it should have been.
I may not have read into the declaring interests one, properly to be honest. Didn't the outcome find he had stopped declaring after he had no financial interest which looking at the way other councils do it, that is the right thing to do?
I'm personally not fussed, I don't find most things offensive. I am sure they didn't lose sleep.
The only point was if it broke the code of conduct isn't it?
It's the fact that it was clear from the start the outcome, it was shown he had to declare the other interests which he didn't but was said to have not done anything wrong. If they had said "it was minor, he has been educated now and it is sorted" then you can see it's being dealt with can't you?
http://democraticservices.coventry.... 29th-Feb-2016 10.00 Ethics Committee.pdf?T=9
Page 11 has the transcript of the radio interview. Mutton says that BA said they were a predator. He says he agrees with that. So Mutton said the words, but as a way of repeating someone. So I'd say he didn't actually say the words as his view, but he did say he held that view. Whether that breaches the Council code is debateable, but not a big deal either way in my view.
I didn't find it too offensive if you make a stand on someone referring to someone else as driven by greed. Do we not get to the point where we never here people's points of views instead we will just get Prepared bland full boring safe statements never expressing an opinion
Just a quick Google is calling someone deaf, pig headed, mystical, cruel, living in cloud cuckoo land
Acceptable?
All quotes from council leaders I personally don't want to live in a world where you can't express an option that a company are driven by greed because you are a council leader.
Council leader Lord True attacks "pig-headed" Ministry of Defence over Kneller Hall sale
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It's far from "Seppala is a silly bitch" or something.
I'd let them go live on air and have a full on slanging match with swear words, but I didn't invent the Code of Conduct. If I did it would be much more entertaining
It is hardly the crime of the century, but I think it is more the fact it is waved away as nothing.
A better statement would be "Mr Mutton did make comments which did breach or could be seen to breach, we have sent him for media training and educated him on what he should declare".
Headline : Nick says Seppala is a silly bitch.
Now that breaks the SBT codes of ethics.
http://democraticservices.coventry.... 29th-Feb-2016 10.00 Ethics Committee.pdf?T=9
Page 11 has the transcript of the radio interview. Mutton says that BA said they were a predator. He says he agrees with that. So Mutton said the words, but as a way of repeating someone. So I'd say he didn't actually say the words as his view, but he did say he held that view. Whether that breaches the Council code is debateable, but not a big deal either way in my view.
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New Worcester City Council leader attacks Labour over Perdiswell - saying you'd have to be "deaf" to not hear football club objections
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Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale attacks 'cruel and unnecessary' SNP council cuts
Scandal council leader attacks 'mystical' officer group
Council leader attacks ‘cloud cuckoo land’ SNP budget proposals
But look at what he said. The Ainsworth comments from Parliament are quoted. O'Connor then states that would have been said under parliamentary privilege.
O'Connor: I don't know whether Bob Ainsworth would come out in public and say that
Mutton: Maybe not but I would because it is absolutely true
I don't see any ambiguity there. That's not quoting Ainsworth that is stating his own view.
It's alright I'll get my mum and people who work for me to judge whether I did anything wrong
Ha ha you need someone independent to write a report about it first though
What is noticeable is all those have one things in common. They are one political party attacking another.
Even if they do say I did something wrong, my panel will just deny it
Ha ha you need someone independent to write a report about it first though
Yes, but Nick will be able to choose the independent person to write the report. I am sure he wouldn't pick someone predisposed to his viewpoint...
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