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[Nick]

LA Transparency Land and Property list 2018 | Coventry City Council

Theres shed loads in there so wouldnt be that easy to find out which land they are talking about. Could sort it by size I guess?

Somebody better in Excel might be able to do something clever.

 

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[eastwoodsdustman]

I've just looked at it and most of them aren't big enough area's. there are school field but they wont be sold but Bubbenhall test track stood out to me. Its near the airport apparently.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The Cov Bees site jumps out but hasn't that been sold for housing?

 

[Nick]

The Cov Bees site jumps out but hasn't that been sold for housing?

That would come under Rugby Council wouldn't it? Unless it was like Coombe Abbey where cov council own it but its in another council's area.

 

[fernandopartridge]

That would come under Rugby Council wouldn't it? Unless it was like Coombe Abbey where cov council own it but its in another council's area.

I misread it, they do own / lease land around Brandon but don't think the stadium is included.

 

[chiefdave]

The Cov Bees site jumps out but hasn't that been sold for housing?

That was looked at before. Rugby council confirmed it with the Telegraph and CBRE stated they were acting on behalf of the club and an agreement had been reached. Owner of the land confirmed the same.

Then it all went silent and the next thing we heard was Fisher saying any new ground would need to be outside of Coventry where the council would have no influence.

 

[Seamus1]

Duggins: Joy, we have the perfect piece of land for your new stadium
Seppala: Oh, really? Where is it
Duggins: Dol-y-moch

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Does CCC own the land that the Jag were going to develop on Whitley South, which will now be vacant for the foreseeable? In Warwick District, but CCC might own it ...

 

[MAFF]

Rowley Road?

 

[Seamus1]

Rowley Road?

I assume the post refers to the land between the A45 and Rowley road, a lot of which has now been dug up in preparation for Whitley South.

I think it used to be private farmland but was then acquired by Roxhill developments. I think the council are in some kind of partnership with Roxhill. I may be completely wrong though. It does fall under Warwick District Council for planning though

In my opinion it is the perfect location were any pie in the sky stadium to be built.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

LA Transparency Land and Property list 2018 | Coventry City Council

Theres shed loads in there so wouldnt be that easy to find out which land they are talking about. Could sort it by size I guess?

Somebody better in Excel might be able to do something clever.

Woodlands Academy is a site that stands out from that list.

If SQM in the columns relates to Square Metre, then given the size per SQM only a handful of sites are realisitc. As a comparison the Ericsson Exhibition hall inside the Ricoh is 6,000sqm, which Woodlands exceeds.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

There are also a lot of sites with unspecified number SQM, which could also be any of the sites.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I think that the SQM is size of the buildings on the site. The HA is the hectare size of the plot i believe.

 

[Wiseoldfool]

I've always thought that Coventry Gateway would be agood option if anything was going to happen regarding a new stadium.Planning permition was denied,back in 2012 by the Government,it seems things have changed.I saw in the Coventry Observer that the developers are building local rugby side Trinity Guild anew ground as part of the project.A professional football team though there would be plenty of objections.

 

[shmmeee]

Will plug www.nimbusmaps.co.uk again. Free account gets you the land registry boundaries for three months plus ownership data and stuff like planning, greenbelt, flooding, business ratings, etc.

£120/month gets you full access with planning search, ability to map properties owned by an organisation (like the council) and lots of other stuff, but you can take a two week trial for 1p, just make sure to cancel.

I’ll see if I can enrich this list tomorrow if I get a chance. Got to do it on the DL tho.

(Nick I felt this was relevant now we are site finding again, delete if too spammy)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They've probably offered to build on Coombe Park.

 

[Nick]

No it's fine, I doubt anybody is going to fork out 120 a month though

 

[shmmeee]

I think that the SQM is size of the buildings on the site. The HA is the hectare size of the plot i believe.

Can’t virw it on mobile, but generally VOA measures buildings in sqm, and sites are usually acres or hectares so I’d guess you’re right.

 

[shmmeee]

No it's fine, I doubt anybody is going to fork out 120 a month though

Only mentioned in case someone takes the trial and forgets to cancel. You really need to remember to cancel!

Just back from the pub celebrating a milestone of paying customers though, so some people do (land developers). Our closest competitor is £5k/year!

 

[shmmeee]

They've probably offered to build on Coombe Park.

That’s the thing with Sisu. It’s never full disclosure, just enough to get the right people angry and leave enough confusion for that to ferment.

I’ll say it again, they are very very good at this stuff and it’s entirely intentional IMO.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That’s the thing with Sisu. It’s never full disclosure, just enough to get the right people angry and leave enough confusion for that to ferment.

I’ll say it again, they are very very good at this stuff and it’s entirely intentional IMO.

I can at least be consistent

Council have always had questions to answer about their response to things, and also attempts at regime change are ve-ry dangerous indeed, in my view.

Wouldn't trust SISU as far as I could throw them however, and I'm no shot putter.

FWIW, this public war of words is just like when we went off to Northampton. SISU have more ammo this time but... it's exactly the same! Now, I don't necessarily blame them for releasing stuff, and if it gets people to question others' actions, that's no bad thing at all but... it's all from one perspective, and an attempt to win hearts and minds so that when we sod off, they take people with them this time.

But let's not start saying SISU in just yet!

 

[shmmeee]

I can at least be consistent

Council have always had questions to answer about their response to things, and also attempts at regime change are ve-ry dangerous indeed, in my view.

Wouldn't trust SISU as far as I could throw them however, and I'm no shot putter.

FWIW, this public war of words is just like when we went off to Northampton. SISU have more ammo this time but... it's exactly the same! Now, I don't necessarily blame them for releasing stuff, and if it gets people to question others' actions, that's no bad thing at all but... it's all from one perspective, and an attempt to win hearts and minds so that when we sod off, they take people with them this time.

But let's not start saying SISU in just yet!

Yeah yeah, vague “questions to answer”. The fact is every single politician of every stripe was onboard with the actions and none have broken cover to whistleblow on the terrible council.

The “regime change” stuff, sure if it’s proven. But you can’t have it both ways. Either the council should be concerned about the club if it thinks it’s being mismanaged, it it should treat it like any other private business.

A strong working relationship with the local authority is important to any major local business, it wasn’t the council that soured that.

I get this is all about creating enough doubt to get people to follow the club, a noble end even if I find the means dodgy.

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah yeah, vague “questions to answer”. The fact is every single politician of every stripe was onboard with the actions and none have broken cover to whistleblow on the terrible council.

The “regime change” stuff, sure if it’s proven. But you can’t have it both ways. Either the council should be concerned about the club if it thinks it’s being mismanaged, it it should treat it like any other private business.

A strong working relationship with the local authority is important to any major local business, it wasn’t the council that soured that.

I get this is all about creating enough doubt to get people to follow the club, a noble end even if I find the means dodgy.

You going for a world record in bollocks spouted in 15 minutes mate?

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[Nick]

Yeah yeah, vague “questions to answer”. The fact is every single politician of every stripe was onboard with the actions and none have broken cover to whistleblow on the terrible council.

The “regime change” stuff, sure if it’s proven. But you can’t have it both ways. Either the council should be concerned about the club if it thinks it’s being mismanaged, it it should treat it like any other private business.

A strong working relationship with the local authority is important to any major local business, it wasn’t the council that soured that.

I get this is all about creating enough doubt to get people to follow the club, a noble end even if I find the means dodgy.

Wasn't the relationship soured years before sisu with the council? It wasn't as if everything was great until then is it?

That's not saying sisu haven't played a part, just that the council aren't innocent like you want to make it.

Creating enough doubt? Why is your dad and his mate from the trust doing their best to create doubt. Out of context lists of quotes that are completely unrelated to what they are disproving, rewriting things that have happened out of history.

Is that not dodgy too? I pointed out a change in approaches and a bit of desperation a few weeks ago. That certainly happened

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah yeah, vague “questions to answer”. The fact is every single politician of every stripe was onboard with the actions and none have broken cover to whistleblow on the terrible council.

The “regime change” stuff, sure if it’s proven. But you can’t have it both ways. Either the council should be concerned about the club if it thinks it’s being mismanaged, it it should treat it like any other private business.

A strong working relationship with the local authority is important to any major local business, it wasn’t the council that soured that.

I get this is all about creating enough doubt to get people to follow the club, a noble end even if I find the means dodgy.

You see, you're either playing devil's advocate, or going to the extreme the other direction for some reason. I never mentioned the sale to Wasps as a question to answer. Indeed, I've often poin ted out that it's highly unusual for every member to be on board with a decision - virtually unprecedented, in fact.

I would like to know how that came about... but wanting to know that could just as easily reveal an answer that blows SISU apart as a hard done by victim.

I don't disagree that a business needs a good working relationship. Nor do I disagree that SISU blew the doors off. I do however think that certain of Mutton's statementgs were unhelpful and inflammatory in the extreme, and weren't what I expect of a council leader. I also think that a total refusal to be flexible in terms of rental agreement over the years (and yes, I too know how councils work in certain circumstances and, while I can appreciate why that may well have been the case, it doesn't mean I have to consider it the rioght decision!) contributed to nuclear options.

There's a middle ground, still, that treats everything SISU say or do with a healthy scepticism, and still waits for the smoking gun, while accepting that other parties have not helped matters either. It's like (most!) marriages that fall apart. If you look yourself in the mirror and conclude it was all the other party's fault and there's nothing to learn, then chances are it's all your fault.

(And yes, SISU's statements do indeed read like they have little to reproach themselves for!)

 

[shmmeee]

Wasn't the relationship soured years before sisu with the council? It wasn't as if everything was great until then is it?

That's not saying sisu haven't played a part, just that the council aren't innocent like you want to make it.

Creating enough doubt? Why is your dad and his mate from the trust doing their best to create doubt. Out of context lists of quotes that are completely unrelated to what they are disproving, rewriting things that have happened out of history.

Is that not dodgy too? I pointed out a change in approaches and a bit of desperation a few weeks ago. That certainly happened

Mate, I have no idea what my Dads doing. I don’t even know his twitter handle. I do know his only aim, and that if anyone I’ve met from the Trust for that matter, is to get the best for CCFC as a fan of 50 odd years.

I don’t know Sisus aim, at best it’s to fuck over the Coventry taxpayer to push the club forward. I’m not sure how that sits with me. At worst it’s to outright steal an asset from us and do as much damage as possible in the process. Either way, I see the carefully left out parts that they could easily provide. An out of context quote can be found and contextualised, a missing email or location can’t.

Why won’t Sisu tell us where the site is? Why release this shit now? Think dude.

 

[shmmeee]

You see, you're either playing devil's advocate, or going to the extreme the other direction for some reason. I never mentioned the sale to Wasps as a question to answer. Indeed, I've often poin ted out that it's highly unusual for every member to be on board with a decision - virtually unprecedented, in fact.

I would like to know how that came about... but wanting to know that could just as easily reveal an answer that blows SISU apart as a hard done by victim.

I don't disagree that a business needs a good working relationship. Nor do I disagree that SISU blew the doors off. I do however think that certain of Mutton's statementgs were unhelpful and inflammatory in the extreme, and weren't what I expect of a council leader. I also think that a total refusal to be flexible in terms of rental agreement over the years (and yes, I too know how councils work in certain circumstances and, while I can appreciate why that may well have been the case, it doesn't mean I have to consider it the rioght decision!) contributed to nuclear options.

There's a middle ground, still, that treats everything SISU say or do with a healthy scepticism, and still waits for the smoking gun, while accepting that other parties have not helped matters either. It's like (most!) marriages that fall apart. If you look yourself in the mirror and conclude it was all the other party's fault and there's nothing to learn, then chances are it's all your fault.

(And yes, SISU's statements do indeed read like they have little to reproach themselves for!)

I won’t lie there’s a small element of devils advocate. But if I can make the case it can be dismissed by logic not accusations about my motives and my elderly relatives.

 

[Nick]

Mate, I have no idea what my Dads doing. I don’t even know his twitter handle. I do know his only aim, and that if anyone I’ve met from the Trust for that matter, is to get the best for CCFC as a fan of 50 odd years.

I don’t know Sisus aim, at best it’s to fuck over the Coventry taxpayer to push the club forward. I’m not sure how that sits with me. At worst it’s to outright steal an asset from us and do as much damage as possible in the process. Either way, I see the carefully left out parts that they could easily provide. An out of context quote can be found and contextualised, a missing email or location can’t.

Why won’t Sisu tell us where the site is? Why release this shit now? Think dude.

Ha isn't he boycotting currently? I'm not sure trying to rewrite history to say ccc do nothing wrong, ever is really doing the best for the final club. Is his tag team partner trying his best for the football club?

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that some people's passion might be somewhere they spent many years of their life. It just shows more than ccfc a lot of the time.

I'm sure the location will come out from one or the other sides, although that wasn't the only thing in the statement was it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I won’t lie there’s a small element of devils advocate. But if I can make the case it can be dismissed by logic not accusations about my motives and my elderly relatives.

Frankly I don't care who your Dad is, beyond what I said before that he was always a decent poster on GMK, and it's a shame he's abandoned message boards!

Also, (again frankly!) I'm a bit bored with the agenda chat. It also applies to if someone is utterly pro-SISU. We had it in reverse when we moved to Northampton. Was very tedious then, and is now.

Half the time I agree with you, half the time I think you're spouting bollocks - now and again you go a bit condescending but hey, now and again I go a bit pompous, so there At the end of the day it's a message board with comedy usernames!

 

[David O'Day]

I won’t lie there’s a small element of devils advocate. But if I can make the case it can be dismissed by logic not accusations about my motives and my elderly relatives.

No mate you just talk utter bollocks. You ain't no cov fan.

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[eastwoodsdustman]

Yeah yeah, vague “questions to answer”. The fact is every single politician of every stripe was onboard with the actions and none have broken cover to whistleblow on the terrible council.

The “regime change” stuff, sure if it’s proven. But you can’t have it both ways. Either the council should be concerned about the club if it thinks it’s being mismanaged, it it should treat it like any other private business.

A strong working relationship with the local authority is important to any major local business, it wasn’t the council that soured that.

I get this is all about creating enough doubt to get people to follow the club, a noble end even if I find the means dodgy.

Remember Blair and wmd? Most agreed as not all of the information was given to people. Just saying.

 

[Nick]

Remember Blair and wmd? Most agreed as not all of the information was given to people. Just saying.

You mean like the condition that ccfc and crfc can't be damaged because of the move?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

You mean like the condition that ccfc and crfc can't be damaged because of the move?

People can only make a decision based on information given to them. I’d be surprised if all of the councillers were given all of the info to back their vote. If they were then more shame on them.

 

[pusbccfc]

Could SISU get involved in something like the new Wimbledon stadium? 90,000m2 land. A 20,000 seater surrounded by houses.

The Wimbledon Stadium Development, SW19 - Architecture - Sheppard Robson

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Could SISU get involved in something like the new Wimbledon stadium? 90,000m2 land. A 20,000 seater surrounded by houses.

The Wimbledon Stadium Development, SW19 - Architecture - Sheppard Robson

Tbh...I like that. Would prefer a unique design as opposed to a straight copy - but that for me would be perfect were it ours & a template for others rather than us taking someone elses template. 20k max (with expansion potential) is all we can sustain really - even if we get to the Championship.

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