Nick
Administrator
Apart from one of ACL directors involved is running the council?
Apart from one of ACL directors involved is running the council?Maybe, maybe not. Certainly prior to Duggins members in the council thought they could ensure an administration and regime change and they couldn’t. But this is the past. Use it to inform and ensure the future looks better but let’s not wallow in it or allow it to infect our future.
Let’s hope heads can work together and get playing back in coventry and then, let’s see if the university thing is for real.
for sure.Just like Joy assumed CCC would fall in line and accept handing over an asset for nothing.
It was a negotiation and we lost out. High reward strategies are also high risk funnily enough.
No point crying over spilt milk. We tried. We failed. Move on and make the best of where we are.
Maybe a logical thought process at the time was if SISU weren't in the running at the time for the Ricoh at the price it was available at they weren't going to be looking at financing a different stadium/ground.Maybe, maybe not. Certainly prior to Duggins members in the council thought they could ensure an administration and regime change and they couldn’t. But this is the past. Use it to inform and ensure the future looks better but let’s not wallow in it or allow it to infect our future.
Let’s hope heads can work together and get playing back in coventry and then, let’s see if the university thing is for real.
They could at least make an attempt to mediate. They’ve said that they haven’t spoken to the club in six years. Ending that would be a good starting point. They only want to do what’s best for the city afterall . Apparently.What would you like them to do?
for sure.
The only 2 caveats to that would be SISU not being awake to/ aware of Wasps factor and the 250 year lease option could have been a significant game changer.
Bringing in an out of town sports franchise to "usurp" local team not something many councils would have even considered.
But could SISU have afforded the price anyway? Possibly why Fisher said the deal was expensive as he couldn't factor in a 2nd sports business at the Ricoh.
Still a very expensive deal for Wasps as a sole sports franchise - they'd factored in CCFC having to stay.
Did they ever say how much wasps benefit the city as opposed to losing a championship football team?
how much to the the economy is wasps worth?
They could at least make an attempt to mediate. They’ve said that they haven’t spoken to the club in six years. Ending that would be a good starting point. They only want to do what’s best for the city afterall . Apparently.
They did an evaluation when wasps came here and said something ridiculous like one wasps game when they came here for a semi final was worth £6 million to the economy
They did an evaluation when wasps came here and said something ridiculous like one wasps game when they came here for a semi final was worth £6 million to the economy
1 game was worth 6 million? Seriously?
That's 180ish quid per head of a sell out.
Fuck me!
1 game was worth 6 million? Seriously?
That's 180ish quid per head of a sell out.
Fuck me!
I'll have you know, I may be weird but I'm not odd!Good work Guys. really feel we have a voice at the table representing us. And hats off for representing the SBT peeps.... a collection of oddballs, ranters and experts on all matters ....oh and the odd weirdo
This “usurp” framing is entirely yours though. Cleary that’s not what the plan was and everyone bar Sisu wants CCFC in the Ricoh alongside Wasps.
Sisu thought they could get cute and got burned. It was a poor tactical move made in haste without any thought as to what else might happen. Their tactics throughout this have been poor. It is what it is, let’s hope they’ve learned their lesson with WDC and do things a bit differently. Then we can all move on.
I get that I really do. I asked my friend who has been involved at senior levels in the council and other authorities all his professional career about conflicts of interest being inherently bad and he explained why that wasn’t always the case and I could see his point.Apart from one of ACL directors involved is running the council?
Using "usurp" in that the plan was to bring in new owners to move CCFC down the pecking order - not in the sense of removing them completely. I'll stand by CCC (and Wasps) thinking it was a fait accompli and CCFC /SISU would have to suck it up and fall in line as secondary tenants at the Ricoh as they would have nowhere else to go.This “usurp” framing is entirely yours though. Cleary that’s not what the plan was and everyone bar Sisu wants CCFC in the Ricoh alongside Wasps.
Sisu thought they could get cute and got burned. It was a poor tactical move made in haste without any thought as to what else might happen. Their tactics throughout this have been poor. It is what it is, let’s hope they’ve learned their lesson with WDC and do things a bit differently. Then we can all move on.
so should be easy for them to work out what having CCFC in the city is worth to them based on x games at different levels of attendance eg L1 10k, championship 15k.etcThey did an evaluation when wasps came here and said something ridiculous like one wasps game when they came here for a semi final was worth £6 million to the economy
Some won’t want to hear my answer and marks take would be useful as I’m a sucker on occasion. They desperately desire ccfc playing in Coventry. Can they make it happen? Can they do more to show this is true? Absolutely bloody hell they’ve seemingly done nothingThanks for the update Pete. Did you get to talk about the city of culture having it’s football team a a city of no culture? I see CCFC make a brief appearance on the city of culture TV adds, it won’t look good if we’re still in Birmingham. City of culture events will be ideal stages for organising protests if we’re not back, do they really want that embarrassment?
Or both do something to move towards the otherThey’ve not said that. Reeves has said he hasn’t spoken in six years. TBH I’m not sure they’re the best choice as mediator as they’re hardly neutral in all this. Neither am I sure mediations helps anything. It’s the Ricoh negotiation version of “let’s have a protest because we must *do something*”
This is and always has been down to one of two people having a change of heart: either Wasps decide to let us play there regardless of legal threats or Sisu drop the legal threats. What’s to be mediated?
I get that I really do. I asked my friend who has been involved at senior levels in the council and other authorities all his professional career about conflicts of interest being inherently bad and he explained why that wasn’t always the case and I could see his point.
Was the sale in the best interests of acl?
Was it in the best interests of ccc?
...... of ccfc?
Two out of three I reckon
I’ve also been thinking about hindsight and how I use it and how ccc might not see it the same way as me and how hindsight tends to move parties apart than together.
Some won’t want to hear my answer and marks take would be useful as I’m a sucker on occasion. They desperately desire ccfc playing in Coventry. Can they make it happen? Can they do more to show this is true? Absolutely bloody hell they’ve seemingly done nothing
I can’t find the article but It was definitely some outrageous figure
Sorry HH bit of a typo.....and the old weirdoI'll have you know, I may be weird but I'm not odd!
I hear what you are saying. That’s why their language and actions need to be aligned and they haven’t beenDo they actually desire it though? As if you look at what they have said they were more bothered about the Aldi in Bell Green closing.
When was the Haskell stuff?What about the forced takeover attempt with Haskell?
What about all the snidey stuff that ACL were up to at the same time?
What about trying to bring Wasps here in 2012?
Reeves was involved all along.
I hear what you are saying. That’s why their language and actions need to be aligned and they haven’t been
I think the real problem is they don’t want the club back under its current owners
Thanks for the update Pete. Did you get to talk about the city of culture having it’s football team a a city of no culture? I see CCFC make a brief appearance on the city of culture TV adds, it won’t look good if we’re still in Birmingham. City of culture events will be ideal stages for organising protests if we’re not back, do they really want that embarrassment?
1 game was worth 6 million? Seriously?
That's 180ish quid per head of a sell out.
Fuck me!
Could be factoring in things like media covering it including TV, which means technicians, analysts, journalists etc having to come here. They will be eating, drinking and possibly staying in hotels etc. It's not just the crowds that generate income.
Why the need to secure an asset that they consistently claimed was performing well and didn't need CCFC as the club was only a small, and largely irrelevant, part of the business? Even when they accounts were published proving Lucas' "washing its face" was nonsense she doubled down on it in an interview with Shane O'Conner and claimed the council made their decisions based on the information passed to them by Reeves.Had a responsibility to secure the asset for all Coventrians however much it affected ccfc. Like I say I think he’s wrong but he was adamant.
Do they actually desire it though? As if you look at what they have said they were more bothered about the Aldi in Bell Green closing.
And that is a problem cause Sisu don’t seem to be ready to move on any time soon if those opinions of Cllr Mutton and Cllr Lucas still hold swayI think the real problem is they don’t want the club back under its current owners
This is an important point. The council can't on one hand make claims like this and then on the other dismiss the impact of us being out of the city.They did an evaluation when wasps came here and said something ridiculous like one wasps game when they came here for a semi final was worth £6 million to the economy
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