Nick
Administrator
Is it?
Utter nonsense.
But even if you think there's so much media focused on Wasps they have double the number of media personal at their games we will in the Championship they only play half as many games!Could be factoring in things like media covering it including TV, which means technicians, analysts, journalists etc having to come here. They will be eating, drinking and possibly staying in hotels etc. It's not just the crowds that generate income.
They did discuss it and add that it was more of an investment to the City than we were even thinking. That said £20m isn’t much when the annual expenditure is about £400mThis is an important point. The council can't on one hand make claims like this and then on the other dismiss the impact of us being out of the city.
There's nothing happening at the Ricoh that couldn't have happened with ACL under Higgs & council ownership with the possible exception of Wasps games, if you believe Wasps would only play there as owners. If you net off the alleged benefit of Wasps being here against the loss of the football club it will be a huge negative.
Sure you can say both could co-exist but what was put in place to ensure that was the case? What was put in place in the lease to ensure the football club had the primacy required by EFL and PL rules? What was put in place to ensure Wasps couldn't sack the club off at the end of the existing contract? Clearly nothing.
And that is a problem cause Sisu don’t seem to be ready to move on any time soon if those opinions of Cllr Mutton and Cllr Lucas still hold sway
Is it?
Did they give any detail? I'm struggling to think of anything Wasps have brought to the city other than 11 Premiership Rugby games a season and a handful of cup games.They did discuss it and add that it was more of an investment to the City than we were even thinking.
No it’s clearly factually accurate
He was given short shrift and everyone thinks he’s an idiot but it’s a fair pointLucas the next major you mean? What does Matons antics on social media also tell you?
tbf if you were lobbying, you wouldn't waste your time on Maton as he's too far gone. Just let him be the outlier, and make sure he's ranting into an echo chamber.Lucas the next major you mean? What does Matons antics on social media also tell you?
Didn’t discuss what wasps bring to the city.Did they give any detail? I'm struggling to think of anything Wasps have brought to the city other than 11 Premiership Rugby games a season and a handful of cup games.
The players don't live here, a lot of the staff are from outside the city, the proposed training ground isn't going to be in the city. What is this huge investment in the city Wasps are making that nobody seems to have noticed?
Great. Would be nice for you to present some facts for a change. Can’t wait.
It’s bollocks
I've no doubt the projections were based on best case scenarios, possibly even creative accounting of including everything in the local economy rather than an expected increase over the base.
But the fact is these games recieve wider coverage than normal games do and will require more people to cover them. If that results in people doing something or being somewhere they wouldn't be were it not for that event it has to be linked to the event.
For example if someone from out of town is asked to cover the event and they have to stay in a hotel that hotel stay is only happening because of that game occurring. Similarly any F&B he consumes. If it weren't for the game the person wouldn't be there.
But even if you think there's so much media focused on Wasps they have double the number of media personal at their games we will in the Championship they only play half as many games!
No it’ll be “X people come in and that means Y sales and Z jobs and therefore the economy of Coventry will now increase by the GDP of California”.
Wonder what figure the same formula would come up with for 23 football games attended by 20k people?
Did they give any detail? I'm struggling to think of anything Wasps have brought to the city other than 11 Premiership Rugby games a season and a handful of cup games.
The players don't live here, a lot of the staff are from outside the city, the proposed training ground isn't going to be in the city. What is this huge investment in the city Wasps are making that nobody seems to have noticed?
The ultimate ironic statement.Utter nonsense.
What makes you say this?everyone bar Sisu wants CCFC in the Ricoh alongside Wasps.
Well oddly you seem to be unaware of facts
The fiasco around the Haskell debacle
The blatant lies around building bridges and having a face wash
The hell freezing over note
The Two franchises statement
The antics around fishing at the Butts
The obsession with Gidney
The selection of Sisu as the partner of choice
Before Sisu
Rejecting the need for a rental reduction
The damning conclusion reached by Garry Hopkins
The slating of the council in Paul Fletchers book
Need I go on?
I think Sisu want ccfc in the Ricoh alongside wasps but it’s not just Sisu that don’t want it as a joint venture hence the proposed new stadium.Right. So nothing then.
Just one piece of evidence the current administration are against CCFC playing in Cov while Sisu are owners will do.
I’m especially enjoying “the selection of Sisu as the partner of choice” as an answer to “please provide evidence they Council don’t want CCFC back under Sisu”.
Most of that list is nothing to do with what you’re asked and half of it is just your opinion. Classic example of the conspiratorial persecution complex some have developed on here mind
I think even Sisu want ccfc in the Ricoh alongside wasps but it’s not just Sisu that don’t want it as a joint venture hence the proposed new stadium.
I’m not sure wasps ever wanted it but business is strange and I completely agree with you if either party is still pursuing the path of distressing the other then it’s become bananasIm sure they do. Just not as much as they want to carry on legal action. Just like Wasps do but not as much as they want legal action to stop.
Aa I said I heard rumours Sisu were looking for part ownership in the last round of talks. I’d love to see that but can understand why Wasps wouldn’t want it even if Sisu weren’t there. I think that ship has sailed after the club refusing to engage seriously for years.
We’ll see on the stadium. If it happens, great. We can all move on. If we keep playing this ridiculous game of trying to distress others by hiding in Brum, well.
Become?I’m not sure wasps ever wanted it but business is strange and I completely agree with you if either party is still pursuing the path of distressing the other then it’s become bananas
I don’t know how these things work and I assume distressing other businesses works otherwise companies wouldn’t try it. So become for me maybe for others more moral or wise it always was bananasBecome?
I don’t know how these things work and I assume distressing other businesses works otherwise companies wouldn’t try it. So become for me maybe for others more moral or wise it always was bananas
Wasps didn't want it which is why they went down the bond route in the first place. It's sole ownership that basically underwrites the finances of the bond as it stands. A large chunk of the bond went to clearing the 2 large loans.I’m not sure wasps ever wanted it but business is strange and I completely agree with you if either party is still pursuing the path of distressing the other then it’s become bananas
Yep course I hear you I always haveIt’s business innit? Not to us mind, bit more important than that to us.
Had a responsibility to secure the asset for all Coventrians however much it affected ccfc. Like I say I think he’s wrong but he was adamant.
Sorry, just catching up on this thread. To add to the above they kept reiterating that CCFC, and Tim Fisher in particular, was insistent at the time that CCFC would build their own stadium.
Again, I don't buy it personally as there was evidence of them trying to attract Wasps prior to the rent disagreements. I think CCFC did play right into their hands though.
As it would have been ACL owning Wasps at that time, our option would have therefore also included owning half of WaspsSorry, just catching up on this thread. To add to the above they kept reiterating that CCFC, and Tim Fisher in particular, was insistent at the time that CCFC would build their own stadium.
Again, I don't buy it personally as there was evidence of them trying to attract Wasps prior to the rent disagreements. I think CCFC did play right into their hands though.
ACL owning Wasps??As it would have been ACL owning Wasps at that time, our option would have therefore also included owning half of Wasps
We tried to play too clever. If the club had been clear about wanting to exercise their option or match any offer to Wasps or whatever the public pressure to sell to CCFC over Wasps would’ve been huge. True or not they handed the council an easy out to say “they don’t want it”. It’s right there in the reasoning given to the full council meeting. CCFC weren’t seen as a serious option.
Said it before, say it again, play stupid games win stupid prizes.
They did?
PWKH had no intention of ever selling anything to CCFC.
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