Just guessing. A possibilty?
Council pays Sky Blues six-figure sum. ACL left to foot the bill (6 Viewers)
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Just guessing. A possibilty?
lewys33
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Yh sorry that wasn't aimed at you directly just at that possible argument. Just thinking aloud and then typing it because thinking aloud wasn't enough!
fernandopartridge
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The appeal seems a bit desperate. I've never heard of a counter appeal to increase an RV but then again I'd never heard of a lot of things that have happened.
fernandopartridge
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No. The valuation office set the rates. They don't necessarily know it's too high unless somebody appeals based on market evidence
skybluetony176
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@grendull
Do you see what happened here?
Let me help you out.
Sisu appealed to the correct authority and got a justified result for minimum effort and outlay. No expensive trips to court trying to obtain evidence, no expensive hearings to see if a JR is warranted, no expensive appeal when the first hearing failed, no expensive failed return to court trying to obtain the evidence you weren't granted in the first place and no expensive JR with a football team of lawyers.
Now remind me again why sisu just didn't go to the European commission for England with their grievance over the ACL loan. I say remind me, you never told me in the first place.
Do you see what happened here?
Let me help you out.
Sisu appealed to the correct authority and got a justified result for minimum effort and outlay. No expensive trips to court trying to obtain evidence, no expensive hearings to see if a JR is warranted, no expensive appeal when the first hearing failed, no expensive failed return to court trying to obtain the evidence you weren't granted in the first place and no expensive JR with a football team of lawyers.
Now remind me again why sisu just didn't go to the European commission for England with their grievance over the ACL loan. I say remind me, you never told me in the first place.
fernandopartridge
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Because there is no such thing as the European Commission for England. The only way to claim against a state aid is through the courts.
Grendel
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Oh please don't spoil my fun. He read one bbc item on Swansea. Its making me laugh and laugh.
skybluetony176
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Every country has a European commission and part of their responsibilities is policing state aid especially where state aid is provided to private companies (such as ACL) which has stringent rules regarding unfair competition. This is why the European commission for wales has/is investigating two clubs and their ground funding from local authorities and the European commission for Spain is looking into 7 club's, IIRC, for the same reason.
In all cases the investigations were triggered by complaints about unfair advantage in the market place meaning that the state aid could be illegal. Sounds tailor made for sisu's complaint over the funding of ACL to me.
Leon Clarke money?
skybluetony176
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It's not making you prove me wrong. It does seem to make you dodge the question though. 3 times on 3 threads now.
skybluetony176
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Just to add. Claim what? The JR doesn't have the jurisdiction to award compensation.
fernandopartridge
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There is one European Commission. It is the responsibility of member states to police state aid, hence this going through the British courts.
fernandopartridge
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They're claiming that state aid rules have been breached.
Reading this post makes me wonder If there Is any significance In the Judge stating costs will be apportioned next time June10,given that this visit was pretty much a waste of time ?
skybluetony176
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It's going through the British courts because sisu have pursued a British local authority through the British courts. Nothing to do with the European commission at all.
fernandopartridge
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It always would go through the British courts, the state aid rules are enshrined into British law. The case could find it's way to the commission eventually depending on what happens.
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limoncello
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Idiot.
skybluetony176
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It seems to me that if someone has a genuine grievance it should have found it's way to the European commission in the first place but I guess a complaint would have to been made for that to happen?
I'm sure if the commission wanted to read personal notes of councillors to see if they were relevant they would have the power to obtain them. I would say that the commission has the power to steam roller the council in ways that a private companies lawyers could only dream about. It would have been more honest and transparent than privately sort JR and I would think everything would then be in the public domain meaning party aggrieved could use it in any compensation claims that they may want to pursue of the back of it should the loan have been found unlawful.
skybluetony176
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And why am I an idiot?
Lets see if you can come up with an explanation tonight or are you just going to call me a fucking
again by way of counter?PS. Ssshhhh, adults are talking.
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limoncello
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And why am I an idiot?
Lets see if you can come up with an explanation tonight or are you just going to call me a fucking
PS. Ssshhhh, adults are talking.
Fucking
. Go complain to the European commission. I've said it before but you refuse to listen, any party that feels wronged can take legal advice. Sisu's legal advice was to go through the English judicial system. I'm sure if their legal advice was to go through the European commission they would have taken that route. But they didn't. But don't let that stop you boring on because you obviously know better than Sisu's well paid and educated legal team. Your years of experience of being a obviously takes precedence. Idiot.
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limoncello
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Fucking
Idiot.
Oh do fuck off, James. It's gone 11 and Tony's a fucking idiot.
No future with SISU
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No the accountant did not look like he could pass a fitness test, looked unfit to me. As your reply is the normal shit you write to slag off the fans who post on here, all i can say is you are just on here to take the piss out of people who post and put up stories to hook people to reply, so you can carry out a piss take. It is your entertainment in life. I still do not belive you are a city supporter and know you are not from coventry.
Grendel
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Yes James -- this is a football forum -- not Gardeners World
Grendel
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So please provide evidence to back up your statements. Or stop lying.
Please also provide ONE post which you have made which is football related. I think you actually have never made one.
I was born in the hospital now a rather poor hotel on the Tamworth Road. So retract that lie as well little man
No future with SISU
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You are the TROLL on here makeing out ACL owed the owners of the club money when is the council who holds the money. Get your facts right before you write. Let me guess you love printing lies so will just carry on any way.
Grendel
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You are a moron, a fantasist and a bulshitter -- actually you did make one football thread which was bullshit
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/44587-Wilson-going-Fisher-Plan?highlight=wilson
Nick
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So who owed it them if acl are footing the bill?
No future with SISU
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I do not post as I need the right information unlike you who just makes up stuff to get the fans to post so you can make fun out off them. I did smile to your words as when Wilson has gone I will let you know where I got my information from and the shit will be all over your face.
No future with SISU
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The club paid the council the rates and as they overpaid the council have refunded them some on the rates. Now the council will bill ACL for the rates and they will appeal. ACL never owed money to the club as your mate Grendel keeps telling every one. The rates were paid to the council, which means the council billed the club for the rates and the club paid the council not ACL. Grendel hate of ACL seems to be greater than his hate of the council.
No future with SISU
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You could have picked a hospital in coventry, so i was right you are not from coventry. You have to go to solihull if you want your birth records and i think you are bullshitting about the hospital as my mum was there and I knew the name of it which you seem to have forgot, it was Keresley Hospital.
letsallsingtogether
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Grendel hates everyone except for Sisu.
Funny he is supposed to be a cov fan but hates everything else Coventry funny for a bloke who works for a company that has is roots and headquarters in our fair City, and even advertise at the Ricoh :thinking about:Maybe they have been overcharged I'm sure he could get their money refunded?
Funny he is supposed to be a cov fan but hates everything else Coventry funny for a bloke who works for a company that has is roots and headquarters in our fair City, and even advertise at the Ricoh :thinking about:Maybe they have been overcharged I'm sure he could get their money refunded?
lordsummerisle
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You're a bit strange.
Astute
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What a lovely thread to read at 3am :facepalm:
Looks like some people don't know their job very well. But maybe not so obvious as none of the sides noticed that anything was wrong for years. One thing though. CCC has shown SISU how to pay their debts. Why didn't they just cancel out the debt from what was already owed though and put the SISU debt down to 200k? We would have less worry about a 10 point loss again......or even worse. The FL have been saying recently that they are looking at the situation more closely recently. Did they get informed of this tax rebate and that the monies due the other way have still not been recovered?
Tax rebates can normally only go back 3 years, but sometimes slightly longer. This is for you, me or even SISU. I changed jobs about 7 1/2 years ago. Still working for the same company but based in another place. I mentioned about how I claim for washing my uniform to someone. He thought I was on a windup until he checked it out. HR for the plant didn't even know about it. Within a few months just about everyone claimed it. They all got a rebate for 4 years. As has been said you can't normally claim for longer, but for some reason the occasional one is longer. Is this worth them doing an appeal?
The repayment of the money was good news mainly, but not good news in the way it could be causing more bad blood and maybe even more litigation from SISU if the past shows anything. No idea how or why but would anyone be surprised? All it would do would be split both sides apart even more if it is possible. Just like what is happening on here
Looks like some people don't know their job very well. But maybe not so obvious as none of the sides noticed that anything was wrong for years. One thing though. CCC has shown SISU how to pay their debts. Why didn't they just cancel out the debt from what was already owed though and put the SISU debt down to 200k? We would have less worry about a 10 point loss again......or even worse. The FL have been saying recently that they are looking at the situation more closely recently. Did they get informed of this tax rebate and that the monies due the other way have still not been recovered?
Tax rebates can normally only go back 3 years, but sometimes slightly longer. This is for you, me or even SISU. I changed jobs about 7 1/2 years ago. Still working for the same company but based in another place. I mentioned about how I claim for washing my uniform to someone. He thought I was on a windup until he checked it out. HR for the plant didn't even know about it. Within a few months just about everyone claimed it. They all got a rebate for 4 years. As has been said you can't normally claim for longer, but for some reason the occasional one is longer. Is this worth them doing an appeal?
The repayment of the money was good news mainly, but not good news in the way it could be causing more bad blood and maybe even more litigation from SISU if the past shows anything. No idea how or why but would anyone be surprised? All it would do would be split both sides apart even more if it is possible. Just like what is happening on here
skybluetony176
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Fucking :censored . o complain to the European commission. I've said it before but you refuse to listen, any party that feels wronged can take legal advice. Sisu's legal advice was to go through the English judicial system. I'm sure if their legal advice was to go through the European commission they would have taken that route. But they didn't. But don't let that stop you boring on because you obviously know better than Sisu's well paid and educated legal team. Your years of experience of being a
Idiot.
Oh. Now you've used a lot of swear words and insults clearly you must be right. Still explains your constant apologising for sisu stance, you know what sisu's legal advice was. Clearly your a plank, sorry I meant plant. How else would you know what sisu have and haven't been advised in private.
fernandopartridge
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It's because CCC are acting as a billing authority in this case and not as a landlord (as they do through ACL).
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