fernandopartridge
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They've got no choice mate. The club has significant less income, the players will have to like it or lump it. I can hardly see a queue for the likes of McSheffrey eh.
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They've got no choice mate. The club has significant less income, the players will have to like it or lump it. I can hardly see a queue for the likes of McSheffrey eh.
chiefdave
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Never thought I'd say this but I think I agree with Fisher and SISU on this, how can it be justified to pay out £1million in bonuses when we can't win a game and get relegated. That said it was under SISUs watch that all these contracts got given out. It looks like someone (Orange Ken?) didn't know what they were doing and made a mess of things. From what has been written it also looks like there was nothing in the contracts for wage reductions if we got relegated which seems a huge oversight.
Fisher also said "could earn more in bonuses this term if they sustain a promotion challenge" to me this means they're going to stop giving out meaningless bonuses and actually have something that's performance related. Don't see how as a player you could moan if the boss is saying do your job well and we'll pay you more, do it badly and we'll pay you less.
Fisher also said "could earn more in bonuses this term if they sustain a promotion challenge" to me this means they're going to stop giving out meaningless bonuses and actually have something that's performance related. Don't see how as a player you could moan if the boss is saying do your job well and we'll pay you more, do it badly and we'll pay you less.
TasmanSeaSkyBlue
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I think the bottom line that this story would get out. The players, their agents and various hangers on would definitely leak it the newspapers who would splash all over the sports pages as big news.
It might mean good business sense to SISU but it is sporting suicide on a major level. Other owners would try it on and the players would industrial action but only by clubs in the lower divisions. I can't imagine Rooney or RVP giving a toss what happens at Coventry City. Wait a bit before everyone jumps......
It might mean good business sense to SISU but it is sporting suicide on a major level. Other owners would try it on and the players would industrial action but only by clubs in the lower divisions. I can't imagine Rooney or RVP giving a toss what happens at Coventry City. Wait a bit before everyone jumps......
Grendel
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Welcome to the real world. It happens all the time in all forms of industry. People have to "volunteer" a wage reduction and if they don't they know what's coming next. Others have pensions slashed with no choice at all. Now poor old Carl won't get £500 for trotting on with a minute to go - unless the team achieves success. They are quite right to re-negotiate and where is the bullying - they were given a choice accept the terms or join another club - and if they were good enough they would be off like a shot but they know where the bread is buttered even after this.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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.....nowhere has it been stated that the players have been bullied out of exisitng contracts...
....besides...it the harsh reality of life.....something most footy players are shielded from....
....so take a pay cut or your employer goes under...then they'll be earning nothing....
...Well done SISU.
fernandopartridge
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Spot on. The anti SISU rhetoric on here clouds judgement.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
They would be breaking laws if the players refused to sign a new contract and were refused payments under the exisiting one but in this instance they have signed new deals with revised terms.
fernandopartridge
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There isn't anything illegal about what the club is doing - it has discussed the proposal with the players and therefore fulfilled its obligations.
It also depends on whether the club have a clause in the contract that states the payment / level of bonus is discretionary, if they do, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what they're doing.
Mucca Mad Boys
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To set the record straight before I say what I'm going to say, I'm not pro-SiSU.
Too many people on this forum wait to shoot SiSU down for anything! IMO, I think, for once, SiSU are doing the 'right' thing, cutting wages for players we, in reality, can't afford to keep (if they hadn't signed a new deal) and changing bonus from appearing to winning, because of this change, players will be motivated to win, not merely 'showing up'! And Fisher said that they'd get paid around the same in bonus if we get promotion.
People have to realise to make us solvent, we need cut cost, which has led to unfortunately, people being made redundent, and player's wages cut (rightly so!) and the burden of stadia rent makes this more of a necessity.
Without changes like this, administration is even more a likely scenario.
Too many people on this forum wait to shoot SiSU down for anything! IMO, I think, for once, SiSU are doing the 'right' thing, cutting wages for players we, in reality, can't afford to keep (if they hadn't signed a new deal) and changing bonus from appearing to winning, because of this change, players will be motivated to win, not merely 'showing up'! And Fisher said that they'd get paid around the same in bonus if we get promotion.
People have to realise to make us solvent, we need cut cost, which has led to unfortunately, people being made redundent, and player's wages cut (rightly so!) and the burden of stadia rent makes this more of a necessity.
Without changes like this, administration is even more a likely scenario.
covcity4life
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good move sisu
Nick
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That is what I mean, they aren't forcing them and being too hard on them else there would be outrage surely?
I like the fact the players will need to actually give a shit now!
It makes sense, we are in a lower division. We need to adjust so much that was wrong in the last few years. I think in Fisher and Waggott we have 2 people that SISU are listening too and changes are being made. We have a squad being built up, those players that are left are being asked to get us back up and will be rewarded for that success this time around.
Maybe, just maybe they have learnt and are trying to start again. Give me a succesfull club again and i am happy even if they make money. I just want CCFC to be a winning team once more, and playing the best in the country. we have taken a massive step backwards. Lets hope we have dropped enough and this is where we start the climb again.
Maybe, just maybe they have learnt and are trying to start again. Give me a succesfull club again and i am happy even if they make money. I just want CCFC to be a winning team once more, and playing the best in the country. we have taken a massive step backwards. Lets hope we have dropped enough and this is where we start the climb again.
Grendel
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Perhaps Carl had to give up the Movie Channels on Sky. It's heartbreaking.
skyblueman
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Wasn't there a mention that players who didn't sign amended contracts wouldn't be played?
Grendel
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Carl's probably signed by now or he'll have to give up the Sports Channels as well.
skyblueman
New Member
For the record I'm not particularly pro or anti SISU to be honest - I'm just against this whole approach by SISU - rent contract - players contracts - where will it end? Are they just going to refuse to pay the contracted price on anything and everything? Who will want to deal with us going forward on this basis? what chance have we as a club of ever owning part or all of the ground which is what we really need to turn it all around. Nobody is going to trust the club on this basis if fundamental agreements cannot be honoured
We've never been in this position before and I fear it damages our credibility tremendously
torchomatic
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torchomatic
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear chants of "ACL! ACL! ACL!" at the Sheff Utd match.
skyblueman
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That's not going to happen while SISU are chasing the huge pile of cash they put in originally and for sure they will start clawing it back just as soon as they can - any financial progress we do make will go back to them not the club IMO
I have no issue with what Sisu are trying to bring in, A system where bonuses are handing out for simply playing and with no relation to performance would seem bizzare in any profession other than football and banking. I think that the new system might actually work and force players who want that extra bit of money to step up, at no point can I read or find that they are having there wages cut and Fisher actually says that the amount available for bonuses is greater than last years, so why would a player get offended or have his morale affected by having more money available if he plays well?
The one thing I dont like is Fishers response:
*2: Is it true that any player who does not agree to the new terms will not be permitted to play for City and will be made available for transfer?
I am not quite sure that this was the exact presentation! However, to be crystal clear then, we will be extremely careful to only field those players who are motivated to wear the shirt of Coventry City and equally are motivated by success.
That screams of take the cut or you will be shipped out....
The one thing I dont like is Fishers response:
*2: Is it true that any player who does not agree to the new terms will not be permitted to play for City and will be made available for transfer?
I am not quite sure that this was the exact presentation! However, to be crystal clear then, we will be extremely careful to only field those players who are motivated to wear the shirt of Coventry City and equally are motivated by success.
That screams of take the cut or you will be shipped out....
skyblueman
New Member
EXACTLY my point - SIGN the new contract on our terms or you don't play and you're out - THANKS BULLYING and THAT's constructive dismissal which is not only unfair but it's ILLEGAL
I see the usual sisu cheerleaders are out trying to start petty squabling again. I dont agree with players bonus's but as usual with sisu the timing of this is pathetic with the season starting today. Once again ccfc are in the news for the wrong things.It shows them up for what they are-an amateurish two bob hedge fund.
torchomatic
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torchomatic
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Grendel
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Good for you - where do we get our ACL Kit from so we can go and support them - what division are they in?
skyblueman
New Member
The only way this is going to get turned around is if everyone works together - mutual respect, trust and understanding of what everyone needs to achieve and formulating plans to achieve this - instead we have everyone at one another's throats
What we actually have now is:
Pissed off Club Owners
Pissed off Stadium Owners
Pissed off Players
Pissed off Fans
This is not going to get us anywhere
What we actually have now is:
Pissed off Club Owners
Pissed off Stadium Owners
Pissed off Players
Pissed off Fans
This is not going to get us anywhere
skyblueman
New Member
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Well the players need to grow up and understand the big bad world they live in and that they are the players who took us to the worst league position in half a century. If they perform they get bonuses. If they perform fans get happy, attendances improve and even the owners may then see some cause for optimism.
torchomatic
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Actually, i think a lot of fans are optimistic over our chances this season. Fans wanted new players and we've had ten. Time to change the record and get behind the team.
skyblueman
New Member
So these four players are the reason we got relegated then? It's all down to them?