It's probably all part of a scientific experiment to see how far credibility can be stretched before it finally breaks........
But is it a smoking gun?
Or is the headline of the article a little mis-leading.
The statement from Fisher is almost word-for-word the same he used at the fans forums - at least as I recall it.
Are you honestly telling me the words in the programme notes are not inaccurate within the context of these documents?
I don't have the program at hand. Can you post a link please?
tbf, none of us knew/cared about Ltd. or (Holdings) until recently. I'd suspect as long as other clubs got their money and had a contract, they weren't overwhelmingly bothered about the intricacies of the company setup either.
tbf, none of us knew/cared about Ltd. or (Holdings) until recently. I'd suspect as long as other clubs got their money and had a contract, they weren't overwhelmingly bothered about the intricacies of the company setup either.
OK dock us more points, thanks ACL
I'll help you with the specific quote I'm interested in your thought on:
"The Football League, finally confirmed last week that they have been registering players in 'Holdings' rather than 'Ltd' and as we have maintained for months, this has been going on since way before SISU took over."
What's that then? Bearing in mind the recent nature of its scribe?
To be fairer. The maker of the claim is Fisher and the burden of proof is on him. So far we've seen nothing to corroborate his story, but plenty in defence.
If this was a scientific battle, it'd be ID vs evolution.
I am confused now ... that is exactly what Fisher has said all along. FL admitting this is their error actually suppoted sisu's case in the administration proces. That error is why nobody but sisu would buy Limited. Without the players Limited was worthless.
Or what have I missed????
tbf, none of us knew/cared about Ltd. or (Holdings) until recently. I'd suspect as long as other clubs got their money and had a contract, they weren't overwhelmingly bothered about the intricacies of the company setup either.
I could have added a percentage breakdon of the other probabilities (with correlating fairness) but then it'd get a little over-wordy, a little less than succinct, and probably end up with me having a rant about Ranson.
To be fairer still, I was responding to the point "that well respected clubs didnt have a clue which company they were dealing with", which doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility to me.
I could have added a percentage breakdon of the other probabilities (with correlating fairness) but then it'd get a little over-wordy, a little less than succinct, and probably end up with me having a rant about Ranson.
players registered with ltd m8 read the article
True but it became very relevant when TF announced that Ltd was not, as everyone - in particular ACL - has believed, a trading company but was in fact a non-trading property owning subsidiary.
Indeed, not denying that.
I would however be very surprised if, having effectively started/gone along with this process themselves (the option was there for them to bail after all, or even wind the club up straight away) they hadn't checked and re-checked that they were on solid legal ground.
No doubt we shall find out...
Yes - Fisher have said that FL had the players registered in Holdings and the club had till he started clearing the mess the players registered in Limited.
But the problem is that players were removed from LTD.....then LTD was put into admin, leaving nothing but debts and a legal contract they wanted out of. It doesn't matter which side of the fence you sit on. You have to admit that it looks suspicious.
Oh, I have already said a few times that isolating the lease can easily have been the main priority - and that if I was in charge, I would have done the same. The club need to own all income streams from the stadium. Be it owning ACL or a brand new stadium - the club MUST own all income streams.
But the problem is that players were removed from LTD.....then LTD was put into admin, leaving nothing but debts and a legal contract they wanted out of. It doesn't matter which side of the fence you sit on. You have to admit that it looks suspicious.
I thought Appleton had done a thorough investigation...this clown couldn't find a document if it was couriered to him with a bunny girl and a marching band.
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Oh, I have already said a few times that isolating the lease can easily have been the main priority - and that if I was in charge, I would have done the same. The club need to own all income streams from the stadium. Be it owning ACL or a brand new stadium - the club MUST own all income streams.
I thought Appleton had done a thorough investigation...this clown couldn't find a document if it was couriered to him with a bunny girl and a marching band.
Has he been paid yet? His fee should be withheld.
OK dock us more points, thanks ACL
So at the forums it was all about the accounts being in a mess, now all the admin is in a mess as well. Even if this was all pre-Fisher this all happened under SISU. I find it hard to believe that everyone else is wrong and Fisher is right. What we need to know from the FL is when players changed from being registered with Ltd and started being registered in Holdings. My guess would be that will be in the last couple of years and would indicate that it is Fisher who has made the mess, at best you would say incompetence at worst you would say some type of fraud, moving the players without any real consent or anyone elses knowledge to suit their aims.
As has been said Fisher talks a lot about documents he has that prove he is right but we never get to see them.
Wonder where the leak is coming from, if it's someone no longer connected with the club why did they feel the need to keep a copy of all these documents if they didn't suspect something dodgy was going on?
Another thought, if everything was in such a mess why did Fisher keep claiming everything was in Holdings with such conviction? If we believe his statement about the state of the accounts and administration then surely any statement regarding player registrations would need to have a caveat that it may not be correct due to the mess everything is in.
NO. Redo the whole process with players in Ltd and Sisu will be gone
Fancy, not posting responses instantly.
Hang him now!
This is a disgrace. I suggest someone organises a picnic outside the football league.
Ill bring the hamper.
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