Match Thread Coventry City - Cardiff City Match Thread - Saturday 30th Nov (24 Viewers)

MalcSB · Dec 1, 2024

robbiekeane said:
What game were you two watching

All the EFL highlights but commented on two games. Ours and Blackburns. Have a look at the Blackburn game if you can, the yellow for Dolan just shows how crap referees really are. The tackle was a potential career ender, unfortunately not a career ender for the referee.(Lewis Smith).

I was at the CBS but ended up arriving late and missed the first two goals.

For our penalty, I did wonder whether the ball was out before it was handled, but if it had have been a goal kick, not a corner, should have been awarded.

CovValleyBoy · Dec 1, 2024

Our "deck" is reminiscent of the scene in 1 Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

CovValleyBoy · Dec 1, 2024

A lowlight of the last 2 matches has been the inexplicable poor performances of Eccles.
No workrate ! As a minimum he normally at least provides that.
Since signing his contract he has disappeared.

fernandopartridge · Dec 1, 2024

Warwickhunt said:
Every other team get a new manager bounce! How come we get a new manager thud!

In fairness Robins lost both of his first games for us I think, certainly didn't win them anyway

Captain Dart · Dec 1, 2024

Saddlebrains · Dec 1, 2024

We're actually fucking shit aren't we

clint van damme · Dec 1, 2024

Just watched the goals back. Appalling.
The 2nd one was just piss poor from our midfield.
Goalscorer plays a short ball out wide on our right hand side and then goes for a little jog into space and no one goes with him.

I know Frank wants to play exciting, attacking football, and we want to see it, but the priority has to be to stop conceding.

AFCCOVENTRY · Dec 1, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
We're actually fucking shit aren't we

This team is very delicate at the moment. Mentally weak. Some of our big name players haven’t turned up this season and we’re missing leaders, as well as not dealing with bringing new players into some key positions.

So Frank has a big task to get the likes of MVE and Sheaf back to their best. Both thought they were getting a big move this summer and that was denied. So they need to get over themselves very quickly otherwise nobody will want to sign them in the summer. They are in their last season with us anyway.

Defence was shit last season and they’ve managed to make themselves worse this year. It’s a shambles witj the personnel there. Ideally none of them are here and we have something better.

Midfield is another shambles. We’re missing a dynamic and energetic enforcer and we lack midfielders who can drive forward and put us on the front foot. We lack creativity.

Strikers I’m less worried about. They just don’t get any service.

The immediate Jan window demands some experience and guile in our signings especially defence and midfield. Probably on loan but we need them asap.

Summer Frank needs a clear out plus some will be off anyway (Wright, Sheaf, MVE will want out and some need to moved out like Kitching).

Got to give Frank and the new coaches time to get them drilled and shaped to how they want the playing style to be. Will take some time. We do need to get back to basics however. So that starts with not conceding goals.

My hope is we see some identity and put some decent performances in and give us a half decent half season.

Great_Expectations · Dec 1, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
Yep. An elite tactician who has known for weeks he was getting the role, would surely have known what tactics work with this squad and subsequently the best way to adapt said strategy for todays opponents.

Tough ask, but not for an elite tactician.

@hamil99 @covcity4life you can poo emoji my post, albeit it’s tongue in cheek.

Obviously appreciate Lampard needs longer than two days with the players to implement big changes, but he clearly felt he had enough time to implement something; we set up differently and tactics like Rudoni pulling left was obviously by instruction.

Either he overestimated the players ability to absorb the information, his tactics weren’t clear, his tactics were wrong or a combination of all.

I assume you were both there yesterday; can you tell me what the plan was tactically? Especially second half to try and break down their low block.

covcity4life · Dec 1, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
@hamil99 @covcity4life you can poo emoji my post, albeit it’s tongue in cheek.

Obviously appreciate Lampard needs longer than two days with the players to implement big changes, but he clearly felt he had enough time to implement something; we set up differently and tactics like Rudoni pulling left was obviously by instruction.

Either he overestimated the players ability to absorb the information, his tactics weren’t clear, his tactics were wrong or a combination of all.

I assume you were both there yesterday; can you tell me what the plan was tactically? Especially second half to try and break down their low block.

They are tweaks at best rather than massive changes. It was 433. I saw good forward passes in first half but nothing in the second. I noticed LB moving inside. But it's a tweak not a massive change

And also you have got to start making changes at some point. Rocky ride at first is to be expected. But if you never start changes you are just delaying the end product. Like starting up at the gym really isn't it

Btw you now reminded me of mention notification so @clint van damme please stop ignoring me in sorry! I'll do this every day till you forgive meeee

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
We're actually fucking shit aren't we

Not just that it’s the fact it’s a team full of cunts that really bothers me. I don’t even went them to win half the time if it wasn’t for them you know playing for us.

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

clint van damme said:
Just watched the goals back. Appalling.
The 2nd one was just piss poor from our midfield.
Goalscorer plays a short ball out wide on our right hand side and then goes for a little jog into space and no one goes with him.

I know Frank wants to play exciting, attacking football, and we want to see it, but the priority has to be to stop conceding.

It’s all the same stuff. Don’t track runners. Don’t make our own runs. There’s something seriously wrong with the mentality of the group and it’s going to take major surgery to fix.

New manager and legend of the game and you can’t even be arsed to run about?

£40m or not I’d stick the lot on the transfer list and start again.

CovInEssex · Dec 1, 2024

That Alex Robertson who Cardiff have got on loan from Man City is someone we should've got. Thought he was very good yesterday.

djr8369 · Dec 1, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
@hamil99 @covcity4life you can poo emoji my post, albeit it’s tongue in cheek.

Obviously appreciate Lampard needs longer than two days with the players to implement big changes, but he clearly felt he had enough time to implement something; we set up differently and tactics like Rudoni pulling left was obviously by instruction.

Either he overestimated the players ability to absorb the information, his tactics weren’t clear, his tactics were wrong or a combination of all.

I assume you were both there yesterday; can you tell me what the plan was tactically? Especially second half to try and break down their low block.

Rudoni was popping up in some odd positions, mainly high and wide left beyond EMC, which seemed partly why there were huge holes in midfield. Not sure if it was tactical or not as he tends to drift all over the pitch.

clint van damme · Dec 1, 2024

djr8369 said:
Rudoni was popping up in some odd positions, mainly high and wide left beyond EMC, which seemed partly why there were huge holes in midfield. Not sure if it was tactical or not as he tends to drift all over the pitch.

Think it was tactical.
Bassette was doing it as well on both the left and right.

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

djr8369 said:
Rudoni was popping up in some odd positions, mainly high and wide left beyond EMC, which seemed partly why there were huge holes in midfield. Not sure if it was tactical or not as he tends to drift all over the pitch.

He was being told to pull wide.

Lampard likes his wide forwards to tuck in, I think the idea was that Dasilva tucks into a back three, MvE and Rudoni push high and wide and Saka EMC and Bassette should be the ones attacking the ball. But that’s mostly a guess based on how he’s set his other teams up and the bits and pieces we saw first half. Could be miles off as I am a tactical dunce.

djr8369 · Dec 1, 2024

clint van damme said:
Think it was tactical.
Bassette was doing it as well on both the left and right.

Unfortunately nobody bothered to try and play a ball to Bassette else we might have stretched them a bit.

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

shmmeee said:
He was being told to pull wide.

Lampard likes his wide forwards to tuck in, I think the idea was that Dasilva tucks into a back three, MvE and Rudoni push high and wide and Saka EMC and Bassette should be the ones attacking the ball. But that’s mostly a guess based on how he’s set his other teams up and the bits and pieces we saw first half. Could be miles off as I am a tactical dunce.

In fact you could say he….. played Rudoni at left back

*runs and hides*

MillwallFan · Dec 1, 2024

I think the main thing that will help your club in the future will be the influence of Lampard and Edwards in attracting better talent to join you. As a player (if not a manager) Lampard was a superb midfielder for both England and the previous clubs he once played for.

Any emerging talent, from any league in the Prem or EFL, or players from those leagues who are good but can’t get a game for whatever reason at their club, would jump at the chance of joining Coventry and being coached by him. His name is a big draw for players and chairman of clubs who want to be connected with him. That’s why the chairmen of Derby County, Chelsea, Everton and now Coventry City have hired him. It’s the same for Rooney and why he’s had managerial spells at Derby County, Birmingham City and now Plymouth Argyle - those chairmen (like yours) hope the positives outweigh the negatives when hiring these types of what I call “celebrity managers.” The fact that it didn’t work out for Rooney at his two previous clubs is neither here nor there. What matters is that it didn’t deter the Plymouth chairman from hiring him after those two failures, and it hasn’t deterred your chairman from hiring Lampard after his mixed success managing both Derby and Everton as well as two stints with his former club, Chelsea.

In Joe Edwards (as Millwall were starting to find out before they sacked him) his previous connections coaching England’s youth players, as well as coaching (with Lampard as manager) Derby, Everton and Chelsea, would be invaluable in how our chairman, James Berylson, wanted to take our club forward in the 21st century. Berylson wanted to hire a young, experienced coach, full of modern ideas in how the game should be played and who could attract better players to implement those ideas, and Joe Edwards fitted the bill. It was just unfortunate for Edwards (and us as fans) that he had inherited a squad of players (from the disastrous Gary Rowett era) who had varying degrees of talent, but which didn’t have enough talent collectively to mould them into the attacking force he believed they could be.

Edwards was the classic case of right manager, wrong time, but the majority of his games as Millwall manager were poor and he had us perilously close to the relegation spots which forced Berylson to make the decision to sack hIm or face potentially next season in league 1. Neil Harris, when he left us in 2019, had told the then chairman, John Berylson (James’ father) that if the club ever needed him he would happily answer the call to come back. James Berylson made that call in February and now, almost a year on, it looks very likely that we’ll be enjoying our ninth straight season in the Championship when our campaign kicks off for the 2025/2026 season next year.

Not bad for a small club with limited financial resources who seem quite able to hold their own against the big spenders of big clubs in this league (as well as those relegated Prem teams) all of whom are able to splash millions on just one player if need be, when our most expensive signing ever (Ivanovic) has cost us this season the princely sum of almost 3 million Euros!

So all is not lost for Coventry City if both Lampard and Edwards click with the current crop of players you have (and those that might be coming in the January transfer window). And if it doesn’t work out with Lampard, well, you could always fall back on his No. 2 to take over. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with a young, experienced, progressive coach like Joe Edwards at the helm?

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

MillwallFan said:
I think the main thing that will help your club in the future will be the influence of Lampard and Edwards in attracting better talent to join you. As a player (if not a manager) Lampard was a superb midfielder for both England and the previous clubs he once played for.

Any emerging talent, from any league in the Prem or EFL, or players from those leagues who are good but can’t get a game for whatever reason at their club, would jump at the chance of joining Coventry and being coached by him. His name is a big draw for players and chairman of clubs who want to be connected with him. That’s why the chairmen of Derby County, Chelsea, Everton and now Coventry City have hired him. It’s the same for Rooney and why he’s had managerial spells at Derby County, Birmingham City and now Plymouth Argyle - those chairmen (like yours) hope the positives outweigh the negatives when hiring these types of what I call “celebrity managers.” The fact that it didn’t work out for Rooney at his two previous clubs is neither here nor there. What matters is that it didn’t deter the Plymouth chairman from hiring him after those two failures, and it hasn’t deterred your chairman from hiring Lampard after his mixed success managing both Derby and Everton as well as two stints with his former club, Chelsea.

In Joe Edwards (as Millwall were starting to find out before they sacked him) his previous connections coaching England’s youth players, as well as coaching (with Lampard as manager) Derby, Everton and Chelsea, would be invaluable in how our chairman, James Berylson, wanted to take our club forward in the 21st century. Berylson wanted to hire a young, experienced coach, full of modern ideas in how the game should be played and who could attract better players to implement those ideas, and Joe Edwards fitted the bill. It was just unfortunate for Edwards (and us as fans) that he had inherited a squad of players (from the disastrous Gary Rowett era) who had varying degrees of talent, but which didn’t have enough talent collectively to mould them into the attacking force he believed they could be.

Edwards was the classic case of right manager, wrong time, but the majority of his games as Millwall manager were poor and he had us perilously close to the relegation spots which forced Berylson to make the decision to sack hIm or face potentially next season in league 1. Neil Harris, when he left us in 2019, had told the then chairman, John Berylson (James’ father) that if the club ever needed him he would happily answer the call to come back. James Berylson made that call in February and now, almost a year on, it looks very likely that we’ll be enjoying our ninth straight season in the Championship when our campaign kicks off for the 2025/2026 season next year.

Not bad for a small club with limited financial resources who seem quite able to hold their own against the big spenders of big clubs in this league (as well as those relegated Prem teams) all of whom are able to splash millions on just one player if need be, when our most expensive signing ever (Ivanovic) has cost us this season the princely sum of almost 3 million Euros!

So all is not lost for Coventry City if both Lampard and Edwards click with the current crop of players you have (and those that might be coming in the January transfer window). And if it doesn’t work out with Lampard, well, you could always fall back on his No. 2 to take over. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with a young, experienced, progressive coach like Joe Edwards at the helm?

We’re supposed to have an amazing squad. That’s why the chairman got rid of the manager and brought in and “elite coach” who will get the best out of our obviously amazing players.

Captain Dart · Dec 1, 2024

djr8369 said:
Rudoni was popping up in some odd positions, mainly high and wide left beyond EMC, which seemed partly why there were huge holes in midfield. Not sure if it was tactical or not as he tends to drift all over the pitch.

Yep, he wasn't really playing as a midfielder in a 433, he was often a lot more advanced than the other 2 but that may have been a tactical decision. I think Torp is more disciplined.

Mucca Mad Boys · Dec 1, 2024

djr8369 said:
Rudoni was popping up in some odd positions, mainly high and wide left beyond EMC, which seemed partly why there were huge holes in midfield. Not sure if it was tactical or not as he tends to drift all over the pitch.

I liked that Rudoni did this as it help create overloads in wide channels. It’s also noteworthy that both EMC and Sakamoto would almost join the striker as a 2nd striker in attack too in moments.

pusbccfc · Dec 1, 2024

napolimp said:
Few things from yesterday.

1. Personnel wise, Lampard has gone for a team of players who have been playing recently, as he's clearly not had time to assess who fits best into his system, or who he thinks should be playing. That just makes sense to minimise disruption.

2. What is basically one training session isn't long enough to get a team playing the way you want them to - blaringly obvious this would be the case. It's going to take weeks, if not months, and hopefully we don't lose too many.

3. Players didn't know what they were doing for most of the match. Makes sense considering the lack of time they've had with the coaching team.

4. Defence was already a liability before we switched to a 4, drastic action needs to be taken.

5. The first Cardiff goal was offside, the penalty was clear cut.

6. He's asked them to transition from a 4-3-3 to a 4-2-3-1, but Rudoni keeps drifting massively out left. That helps EMC but leaves Sakamoto isolated.

7. Bassette was screaming out to be played in behind throughout the first half, the kind of balls Torp is capable of providing.

We've got 4 strikers who are poor with the ball at their feet but are physical and work best playing in behind.

I still cannot believe the lack of direct passes for them.

Maybe we don't have the quality? It's like having Gyokeres but without Hamer and Callum Doyle playing the passes..

Frostie · Dec 1, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
I liked that Rudoni did this as it help create overloads in wide channels. It’s also noteworthy that both EMC and Sakamoto would almost join the striker as a 2nd striker in attack too in moments.

Yeah, it backfired badly though. We looked an absolute mess & the players had no idea what they were supposed to be doing. MVE constantly running down blind alleys with nobody in front of him & then losing the ball was a particular highlight.

If that's what our "elite tactician" cooked up for day 1 then I hope he's got something better for the future.

Grendel · Dec 1, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
In fairness Robins lost both of his first games for us I think, certainly didn't win them anyway

I don’t think Adams won for about 5 or 6 games leading to the legendary “Micky Adams is a winner again”

Grendel · Dec 1, 2024

Frostie said:
Yeah, it backfired badly though. We looked an absolute mess & the players had no idea what they were supposed to be doing. MVE constantly running down blind alleys with nobody in front of him & then losing the ball was a particular highlight.

If that's what our "elite tactician" cooked up for day 1 then I hope he's got something better for the future.

Grow up

MillwallFan · Dec 1, 2024

shmmeee said:
We’re supposed to have an amazing squad. That’s why the chairman got rid of the manager and brought in and “elite coach” who will get the best out of our obviously amazing players.

Lampard may take the pragmatic approach and not go gung ho in games, preferring instead to grind out results any way he can this season, avoid the drop, recruit better players in the summer transfer window and play better football next season.

That’s what Harris did with us, and we’re all the better for it this season. Maybe the same will work for Coventry?

Personally I think there are more than 3 clubs worse than Coventry and Millwall this season who will get sucked into the relegation spots. Both our clubs will be fine.

Frostie · Dec 1, 2024

Grendel said:
Grow up

?
Do you think the new tactics worked? Do you think the players looked like they knew what was expected of them?

ProfessorbyGrace · Dec 1, 2024

Are either of Lampards coaches known for their tactical ability?

Someone on YouTube was saying that Lampard is a bit tactically naive and it was Jody Morris who was the more tactically minded.

Grendel · Dec 1, 2024

Frostie said:
?
Do you think the new tactics worked? Do you think the players looked like they knew what was expected of them?

The players haven’t looked like they know what’s expected all season.

The fact is Robins - who you clearly didn’t want to leave - has failed. It’s like your boss telling you to buy a great big feast from Waitrose and you end up going to the happy shopper but pay the same price.

It was obvious his time was coming to an end. He sanctioned signings that haven’t delivered. He has mainly succeeded with a band of players he managed to motivate and over perform from league one days and the obvious two players that worked well.

Sneering about an elite coach is pretty telling. With robins we have looked disjointed and poor all season and his ability to motivate has clearly not worked with this latest crop of players.

The excuses for the mess of his creation are pointless. Hes gone that’s it

mmttww · Dec 1, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Next game

Dovin
MVE Thomas Kitching Bidwell
Torp Eccles Rudoni
Saka Simms EMC

Genuinely interested to see how that midfield does. Sheaf hasn't gone enough to be a guaranteed starter lately and it sounds like he's carrying a knock.

Otis · Dec 1, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
View attachment 39944Before and after the match today

No, this is the true before and after..

Before

After

lewys33 · Dec 1, 2024

Far too many essays for me to see if someone wrote this previously … but the pitch looked crap yesterday. Especially when we try to play possession based football. Get as many excuses in as we can.

Gibbo · Dec 1, 2024

shmmeee said:
He was being told to pull wide.

Lampard likes his wide forwards to tuck in, I think the idea was that Dasilva tucks into a back three, MvE and Rudoni push high and wide and Saka EMC and Bassette should be the ones attacking the ball. But that’s mostly a guess based on how he’s set his other teams up and the bits and pieces we saw first half. Could be miles off as I am a tactical dunce.

That explains EMC doing the marking with da Silva tucked in. It has the additional bonus of ensuring Da Silva's woeful inability to mark a man does not get so much exposure

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 1, 2024

shmmeee said:
In fact you could say he….. played Rudoni at left back

*runs and hides*

And Dasilva at left centr back

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