Evo1883
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It doesn't matter who united were playing , it's still at a higher intensity and level than the level we played at v Hull city last night
What on earth is wrong with people , have you all lost the fucking plot ?
Match Thread Coventry City - Hull City Match Thread - Wednesday 24th Apr (1 Viewer)
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It doesn't matter who united were playing , it's still at a higher intensity and level than the level we played at v Hull city last night
What on earth is wrong with people , have you all lost the fucking plot ?
Evo1883
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You haven't argued anything though , you're insinuating that none of our players could have played no more minutes.. I argued united players who played the same minutes at Wembley played again in a better league at a higher standard.
I also pointed out our form has been shite for some time to which you also blamed fatigue , it's just not true
shmmeee
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And now I’m arguing Robins isn’t lying.
Evo1883
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And I'm arguing that Robins has got plenty wrong recently and fatigue is a convenient excuse for a shitty last quarter of the season ..
TomRad85
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Brighton Sky Blue
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His comments after Southampton were very different, ie ‘everyone’s tired you have to find a way through it’. But the truth is we’ve been shipping goals for fun since January and also been unconvincing on the pitch since then.
If the squad burned out it burned out long before now.
Evo1883
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In the last 10 games we are 16th in the last 15 games we are 15th , are we actually sitting here and saying after game week 28 our team were fatigued and decided they could no longer play and get results ?
We've lost almost half of our last 15 games and fatigue is NOT the reason
Mental to suggest otherwise
Too cautious ,playing not to lose and get a goal on the break , too inconsistent with the team and bringing players in and out , persisting with shit players that are a detriment to the team ..
That's why our season fell away
We've lost almost half of our last 15 games and fatigue is NOT the reason
Mental to suggest otherwise
Too cautious ,playing not to lose and get a goal on the break , too inconsistent with the team and bringing players in and out , persisting with shit players that are a detriment to the team ..
That's why our season fell away
Matt smith
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There’s no excuse next season for this squad re league form at the back end
Sky Blue Pete
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What is evo??
Evo1883
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I've explained everything Pete..
skybluecam
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but it's relative isn't it - they're higher level players who are used to playing at a higher intensity.
Bigger squad also
Evo1883
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They've 12 injuries and it's not relative , it's like saying ( as I said ) wrexham playing forest green is the same as man city v burnley in terms of what's required to win the match .. it's absolutely not relative
Burnley wanked all over the league we are in
Matt smith
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There’s a great disparity between our first team and bench, hopefully that’s not the case next season
skybluecam
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Genuinely confused by this. On an absolute scale of course not, on a relative one yes.
Evo1883
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Not sure how it's confusing
Man utd played 120 minutes v us at Wembley, then played again at a much higher level with the same players and won 4-2 against a team that got 91 points in our league ..
Our fans are arguing that us playing hull is more intense and tiring than man utd playing sheffield united in arguably the world's best league
It's not , but we made 5 changes
Brighton Sky Blue
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Two key moments I think.
First the Kitching red card against Sheffield, which meant that the defence got tinkered with up to the point it lost cohesion and started to cough up silly errors. By the time he returned from another red at Norwich we then forgot what our best back 4 actually was and the player himself saw a dip in fkrm
Second the Sakamoto injury which led to a panicked return to the wing back system that we already know just does not fit this group of players. More chopping and changing plus an extra focus on safety first except we kept shipping poor goals.
skybluecam
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Because their players are higher quality. They also had 72% possession in that game, much easier on the legs than the 55% we had.
Evo1883
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I think you're clutching
skybluecam
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I think you are
Making out that it's somehow harder for Man Utd to be playing a much worse team than them than it is us playing an equal one.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I agree, Man Utd didn't make many changes so I'm not sure why Haji and Simms couldn't have started.
Only argument is that Utd didn't put in nearly as much as effort as us on Sunday as they were coasting for 60 minutes and then seemed like they weren't trying much at all for the last 60 minutes meaning they were nice and fresh, add in that they won and it probably made it a bit easier for their players to go again. Also the premier league schedule isn't typically as packed as the championship and they went out of Europe before Christmas.
Sick Boy
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Fair comment!
Evo1883
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I think you are
Making out that it's somehow harder for Man Utd to be playing a much worse team than them than it is us playing an equal one.
In a far superior league , keep missing that bit out .. where the intensity and level needed to get wins FAR exceeds that of the championship .
This is really easy
Evo1883
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On this point , they were fucked by the end of extra time
internationals throughout the squad also adds more travelling and fixtures
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Manchester United are full of seasoned international players. Simms and Wright are inexperienced at this level. We have to trust the management team's advice on fitness. Overplaying players results in injuries. We have seen this with Sheaf a couple if times and Torp.
Robins has had to manage these players minutes. Remember Sakamoto rarely played two matches on the trot early on. We don't have the luxury under our model to buy experienced players who are likely to be ever present in the Championship.
It was obvious in January we didn't have a large enough squad. We should have strengthened then if we were serious about equalling last year's record in the league. I hope next year we are more ambitious and flexible and don't stick to the model so rigidly. If not forget about any progress in the league for many years in my view.
Robins has had to manage these players minutes. Remember Sakamoto rarely played two matches on the trot early on. We don't have the luxury under our model to buy experienced players who are likely to be ever present in the Championship.
It was obvious in January we didn't have a large enough squad. We should have strengthened then if we were serious about equalling last year's record in the league. I hope next year we are more ambitious and flexible and don't stick to the model so rigidly. If not forget about any progress in the league for many years in my view.
shmmeee
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We’re not far shy of 100 goals this season. We’ve got two players almost on 20. We have been putting teams to the sword.
On the one hand you’re saying we’re far too defensive and the other that we let too many goals in.
Robinshio
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this intensity thing - The main thing is we played at 120% on Sunday, United at about 80% in MR interview he said COH couldnt play midweek because he covered 17k in the game on Sunday - add that to the emotion of the game, the disallowed goal and the penalty miss
Some people think we are a champions league team because of one game - We massively overachieved and it was the sole reason for Wednesdays performance, and why we will struggle to put a team out for saturday - and especially the bench will be full of kids
Some people think we are a champions league team because of one game - We massively overachieved and it was the sole reason for Wednesdays performance, and why we will struggle to put a team out for saturday - and especially the bench will be full of kids
Evo1883
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We've scored 68 in the league , we've drawn 8 games at home and won 9 , we've scored 34 goals in 21 home games which isn't great (scored 30 last season but could actually defend).. we've got to be A: better at home in general and B: Braver against teams and impose our game on them from the start of matches
Long story short , we've not been putting teams to the sword
Brighton Sky Blue
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Which has seen the opposition increasingly just go full throttle at us early on to try and build a lead before that happens. And increasingly it’s paid off
Evo1883
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I can understand the mentality when we're a team trying to survive or a team trying to snatch points and games .. but this mentality must swing slightly to achieve our ultimate goal, promotion