Match Thread Coventry City - Plymouth Argyle Match Thread - Thursday 26th Dec (11 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Lots of lazy comments re Rooney.

Lowest playing budget by some distance, major players out injured, it is no surprise they are struggling.

He's got a 25% win rate as a manager.

 

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[shmmeee]

Thomas was much better passing through the lines today, lots more purpose to it

Thought he was his usual plodding self today tbh. The number of times players were making runs or stood in acres or screaming to the ball and the back line just kept checking back and arsing about with it… Sheaf was even worst. I can’t imagine how frustrating it is being a forward in this side.

The problem is, as I suspect will become clear when he returns, Haji is not a natural number 9. He doesn't work his socks off like Norm, nor have the aerial ability of Simms. He needs the little bit of space that he gets on the flank, or playing off the striker in a 2 up front.

He is a super player and I hope he can adapt to not being in his preferred position

Hed only ever played ST before coming to us hadn’t he?

 

[bigfatronssba]

I’m not sure I understand the hostility to Rooney.
A lot of people seem desperate for him to fail. There’s a fair bit of it with Lampard as well.

We should want English managers to do well. It’s embarrassing that an English manager has never won the PL

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

I’m not sure I understand the hostility to Rooney.
A lot of people seem desperate for him to fail. There’s a fair bit of it with Lampard as well.

We should want English managers to do well. It’s embarrassing that an English manager has never won the PL

Could not care less about their nationalities, you could ask why the likes of Rooney , Lampard and Gerrard keep on getting jobs when their records are so poor or average.

 

[Sick Boy]

Could not care less about their nationalities, you could ask why the likes of Rooney , Lampard and Gerrard keep on getting jobs when their records are so poor or average.

Lampard has an overall win percentage of 42%; he’s nowhere near as bad as some make out.

 

[shmmeee]

Lampard has an overall win percentage of 42%; he’s nowhere near as bad as some make out.

He managed Chelsea twice!

 

[bigfatronssba]

He managed Chelsea twice!

What difference does that make?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Could not care less about their nationalities, you could ask why the likes of Rooney , Lampard and Gerrard keep on getting jobs when their records are so poor or average.

Well we should care if we want a decent England manager some day

 

[Sick Boy]

He managed Chelsea twice!

 

[Flying Fokker]

Roll the clock back to our Portsmouth game and Plymouth have my sympathy.

Quote from a Plymouth fan:


It was so depressing sat in the Away End Yesterday. You know things are bad when the Argyle Fans join in singing with the Home Fans " It's a long way to Plymouth when you're S...T " Thankfully I only had to go back to Bedford

 

[MalcSB]

Sorry. I often find it hard to resist being a smart arse.

 

[fatso]

He's got a 25% win rate as a manager.

Hardly a relevant stat when you look at where he's been, and the circumstances he's had to work under.

Derby was a financial basket case, and there's a good argument to say he actually did well, considering what their situation was at the time.

Birmingham, had just sacked John Eustace when Rooney went there, and the players were far from happy that Eustace was kicked out, (by all accounts, the dressing room was a toxic environment) so again he was up against it from the off. And the owners had rediculous expectations.
But admittedly it was a disastrous time.

Plymouth, they were always going to be relegation favourites, they have a league 1 squad, and a league 1 budget. There's very little anyone could do there with zero funds to invest. If Rooney is sacked tomorrow, no one is going to save that squad from the drop.

The biggest mistake Rooney has made is a poor choice of clubs to manage and the wrong time to be there.

 

[fatso]

Roll the clock back to our Portsmouth game and Plymouth have my sympathy.

Quote from a Plymouth fan:


It was so depressing sat in the Away End Yesterday. You know things are bad when the Argyle Fans join in singing with the Home Fans " It's a long way to Plymouth when you're S...T " Thankfully I only had to go back to Bedford

Its a long way back from Portsmouth when your shit too!

 

[covcity4life]

Hardly a relevant stat when you look at where he's been, and the circumstances he's had to work under.

Derby was a financial basket case, and there's a good argument to say he actually did well, considering what their situation was at the time.

Birmingham, had just sacked John Eustace when Rooney went there, and the players were far from happy that Eustace was kicked out, (by all accounts, the dressing room was a toxic environment) so again he was up against it from the off. And the owners had rediculous expectations.
But admittedly it was a disastrous time.

Plymouth, they were always going to be relegation favourites, they have a league 1 squad, and a league 1 budget. There's very little anyone could do there with zero funds to invest. If Rooney is sacked tomorrow, no one is going to save that squad from the drop.

The biggest mistake Rooney has made is a poor choice of clubs to manage and the wrong time to be there.

Ok wayne

 

[fatso]

Ok wayne

It's Mr Rooney to you son, now fuck off

 

[Deity]

Hardly a relevant stat when you look at where he's been, and the circumstances he's had to work under.

Derby was a financial basket case, and there's a good argument to say he actually did well, considering what their situation was at the time.

Birmingham, had just sacked John Eustace when Rooney went there, and the players were far from happy that Eustace was kicked out, (by all accounts, the dressing room was a toxic environment) so again he was up against it from the off. And the owners had rediculous expectations.
But admittedly it was a disastrous time.

Plymouth, they were always going to be relegation favourites, they have a league 1 squad, and a league 1 budget. There's very little anyone could do there with zero funds to invest. If Rooney is sacked tomorrow, no one is going to save that squad from the drop.

The biggest mistake Rooney has made is a poor choice of clubs to manage and the wrong time to be there.

Spot on.

Rooney might be awful he might be ok but you can’t tell based on this Plymouth squad in the championship.

 

[PVA]

Spot on.

Rooney might be awful he might be ok but you can’t tell based on this Plymouth squad in the championship.

He was appalling at Birmingham to be fair.

 

[clint van damme]

He was appalling at Birmingham to be fair.

Massively took them backwards.

 

[Gint11]

Hardly a relevant stat when you look at where he's been, and the circumstances he's had to work under.

Derby was a financial basket case, and there's a good argument to say he actually did well, considering what their situation was at the time.

Birmingham, had just sacked John Eustace when Rooney went there, and the players were far from happy that Eustace was kicked out, (by all accounts, the dressing room was a toxic environment) so again he was up against it from the off. And the owners had rediculous expectations.
But admittedly it was a disastrous time.

Plymouth, they were always going to be relegation favourites, they have a league 1 squad, and a league 1 budget. There's very little anyone could do there with zero funds to invest. If Rooney is sacked tomorrow, no one is going to save that squad from the drop.

The biggest mistake Rooney has made is a poor choice of clubs to manage and the wrong time to be there.

Fair observations.

 

[Sbarcher]

I’m not sure I understand the hostility to Rooney.
A lot of people seem desperate for him to fail. There’s a fair bit of it with Lampard as well.

We should want English managers to do well. It’s embarrassing that an English manager has never won the PL

I think Rooney deserves credit for taking the Plymouth job. He obviously is not doing it for the money, just a love of football and wants to stay involved. He could be sitting with his feet up in Rooney Towers watching his missus on TV, instead he takes over a basket case of a club and tries to improve it.
I guess now his managerial reputation will be shot, but respect for him for giving it a go.

 

[Shannerz]

What difference does that make?

I guess the point is that with their resources, even a mediocre manager should end up with a decent win percentage.

 

[clint van damme]

I think Rooney deserves credit for taking the Plymouth job. He obviously is not doing it for the money, just a love of football and wants to stay involved. He could be sitting with his feet up in Rooney Towers watching his missus on TV, instead he takes over a basket case of a club and tries to improve it.
I guess now his managerial reputation will be shot, but respect for him for giving it a go.

Yeah, you can't argue with his motivation. I'll give him that.
Same as Lampard, obviously doing it because they want to.

 

[Shannerz]

Plymouth, they were always going to be relegation favourites, they have a league 1 squad, and a league 1 budget. There's very little anyone could do there with zero funds to invest. If Rooney is sacked tomorrow, no one is going to save that squad from the drop.

There's truth in that, but they capitulated embarrassingly yesterday, and it was hardly a one-off.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I guess the point is that with their resources, even a mediocre manager should end up with a decent win percentage.

That would suggest that the manager isn't actually that important in getting results

 

[SBT]

I’m not sure I understand the hostility to Rooney.
A lot of people seem desperate for him to fail. There’s a fair bit of it with Lampard as well.

We should want English managers to do well. It’s embarrassing that an English manager has never won the PL

Maybe genuine English coaching talents would have an easier time getting opportunities at bigger clubs if they didn’t keep falling over themselves to appoint mediocrities like Rooney based on their celebrity status from their playing days.

 

[Hobo]

Was just watching the highlights, how was that not a pen when they Plymouth player took out both of Eccles legs for a blatant pen .

Looking where the ref was he was behind Eccles so probably couldn't be sure whether contact was just on Eccles or ball and Eccles fell over the tackler.
Refs have one angle and one take of a situation, it's why the Prem has VAR.

Personally I would still prefer not to have VAR.

 

[covcity4life]

That would suggest that the manager isn't actually that important in getting results

He is another one who wants to put lampards down

 

[shmmeee]

What difference does that make?

You’re expected to win a few more games as a top four side.

 

[Grendel]

The problem is, as I suspect will become clear when he returns, Haji is not a natural number 9. He doesn't work his socks off like Norm, nor have the aerial ability of Simms. He needs the little bit of space that he gets on the flank, or playing off the striker in a 2 up front.

He is a super player and I hope he can adapt to not being in his preferred position

Does simms win any headers?

 

[shmmeee]

He is another one who wants to put lampards down

Ive got no interests in Frank’s quilts.

 

[Grendel]

He managed Chelsea twice!

His record at Derby was 42%

 

[Shannerz]

That would suggest that the manager isn't actually that important in getting results

There's a par, and a good manager will exceed it, and a poor one not achieve it.

Also, I didn't say I agreed with the statement, I just answered your question of what difference managing a big club made to win percentage (though it seemed fairly obvious).

 

[Hobo]

Meant he’s been fit enough for a few weeks so it’s not his injury stopping him playing, he played for the U23s 3 weeks ago and was different class?

If he had Visa problems he wouldn't even be at the club let alone playing for the u23's.

Just accept he has had injury problems and it takes time to get fit and fully match fit. Hopefully he will now feature on the bench. But I suspect he will have an apprenticeship of being just on the bench and getting used to the match day experience. The fact he is now integrated with first team training is a big step forward.

 

[bigfatronssba]

You’re expected to win a few more games as a top four side.

Which means he was under greater pressure

 

[bigfatronssba]

Maybe genuine English coaching talents would have an easier time getting opportunities at bigger clubs if they didn’t keep falling over themselves to appoint mediocrities like Rooney based on their celebrity status from their playing days.

You make it sound like ex England players are constantly being appointed into top jobs.

At least Rooney has tried. I admire anyone who is willing to try to learn something and better themselves. It’s sad that as a society we seem to want people like Rooney to fail.