Coventry City U21s v Birmingham City tonight (2 Viewers)

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SlowerThanPlatt

SlowerThanPlatt

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Hobo said:
The problem with development football is the lack of continuity. Results aren't that important. They could be not fielding their best team and giving youngsters a chance? They could be trying a new system? Fans are results based, Academy coaches are development based.
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This is right, youth football exists for the development of 1-2 in a group, we were on the end of a lot of batterings (think we finished clear bottom of the league) when playing a 16yo Maddison in the U21s.
 
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long way home

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Wonder if they are asking him to work on something they see that he needs to improve on. And if so no better situation than to put it into practice in a game. Whatever it is even if its just getting minutes scoring goals is never a bad thing in a players development.
 
Hobo

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Jamesimus said:
People keep on saying this and honestly I really don’t see him as “raw”.

Granted he hasn’t scored yet but he looks an intelligent and aggressive forward and seems older than 19.
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I am not arguing your last sentence at all. But he still looks raw at times. Hasn't always chosen the best decisions. Can't fault his enthusiasm

Play him week in week out and most Championship defenders would have him in their pocket. Looks like you could press a few buttons and get him off script like Kitching.

The raw talent and enthusiasm needs channeling just like Viks did in his first half season. Fans don't see these players day in day out like the manager and coaches. They haven't the experience of developing players like the manager and coaches. But somehow they think if they had played the result would have been different? Based on little evidence.
 
Boicey

Boicey

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Hobo said:
I think he needs grounding to improve. Some temperament issues. Nobody should just walk in the side. He is a mixed bag at the minute and needs to get his head down.

Who says he is not going to play at all? We have lots of talent and ability in the squad. It's very competitive. All I have seen is a young raw talent. He is not worth 20 minutes at all. I would not be shy of giving him 20 minutes in certain circumstances. But I would not guarantee him 20 minutes or even a place on the bench.

That situation could change rapidly of course? But we are where we are. I think some fans are clutching at straws and being panicked by poor results i.e When is Rodriguez fit,? We have never seen him play and has always been well down the pecking order! I am not saying he is a bad buy or won't come good.... Just him and Bassett deserve time. They were clearly signed to strengthen squad depth and as future investments. Certainty not to be judged by mid October.
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Quite a strange take.
He didn't just 'walk into the side'. He was chosen by Robins as a first team striker for a few games, got some plaudits, now isn't getting any minutes even as a sub and is now put in the U21's.
Just all looks a bit odd by Robins.
 
Hobo

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quinn1971 said:
He looked decent against spurs,we’re struggling for goals and he’s taking the piss in the U21s, why’s he not even had mins off the bench in the last 3 games …..and breathe
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How good were Spurs? He has had a chance was raw, petulant with his own players and missed a sitter.

He is a talent but needs grounding. We need something from our established players, not burn our raw talent due to miss firing form. We really aren't that far off turning it around. No easy solutions but it is all small margins.
 
Jamesimus

Jamesimus

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Hobo said:
I am not arguing your last sentence at all. But he still looks raw at times. Hasn't always chosen the best decisions. Can't fault his enthusiasm

Play him week in week out and most Championship defenders would have him in their pocket. Looks like you could press a few buttons and get him off script like Kitching.

The raw talent and enthusiasm needs channeling just like Viks did in his first half season. Fans don't see these players day in day out like the manager and coaches. They haven't the experience of developing players like the manager and coaches. But somehow they think if they had played the result would have been different? Based on little evidence.
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In the brief moments I’ve seen him he looks like one of the most accomplished 19 year old players I’ve seen for us in many years, so I think raw is a little harsh is all!

I think if he was played week in week out he’d have scored a couple by now but agree results largely wouldn’t have been much different - he is only one man after all!
 
Jamesimus

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Boicey said:
Quite a strange take.
He didn't just 'walk into the side'. He was chosen by Robins as a first team striker for a few games, got some plaudits, now isn't getting any minutes even as a sub and is now put in the U21's.
Just all looks a bit odd by Robins.
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Think it seems he’s ruffled a few feathers. Seems a confident lad but obviously a mouthy gobshite aswell maybe?!
 
Boicey

Boicey

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Hobo said:
How good were Spurs? He has had a chance was raw, petulant with his own players and missed a sitter.

He is a talent but needs grounding. We need something from our established players, not burn our raw talent due to miss firing form. We really aren't that far off turning it around. No easy solutions but it is all small margins.
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If 'grounding" is being turned into a passionless, predictable player, who doesn't raise their voice or opinions, then no thanks.
We seem to have plenty of those already.
 
Boicey

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Jamesimus said:
Think it seems he’s ruffled a few feathers. Seems a confident lad but obviously a mouthy gobshite aswell maybe?!
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I suspect players going somewhere in their career are different. We need different and this team needs shaking up.
Robins seems to want compliant players who narrowly do what they are told.
It isn't working.
 
Hobo

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Boicey said:
Quite a strange take.
He didn't just 'walk into the side'. He was chosen by Robins as a first team striker for a few games, got some plaudits, now isn't getting any minutes even as a sub and is now put in the U21's.
Just all looks a bit odd by Robins.
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I never said he walked into the side. I said he can't just walk in to the side.

You argue Robin's picked him then question why Robins has held him back? Do you trust Robins or not?
 
Hobo

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CovValleyBoy said:
Fella on Small Heath Alliance foru said they put out a decent 11 !!
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Obviously not performed though. May be a lot of reasons for that. They could be trying a new system for the first time
 
Boicey

Boicey

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The watchmaker said:
Not sure why everyone wants to read something into him getting a game tonight. Whatever the history - for a guy we haven't seen score before, 60 minutes on a Tuesday and 4 goals sets him up nicely for the weekend.
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I'm not sure many pros would see being picked for a club's junior team as anything but a bit of a snub by the manager.
It's hardly great on the CV is it?
But let's hope he gets some game time against Preston and scores.
 
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quinn1971

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Hobo said:
How good were Spurs? He has had a chance was raw, petulant with his own players and missed a sitter.

He is a talent but needs grounding. We need something from our established players, not burn our raw talent due to miss firing form. We really aren't that far off turning it around. No easy solutions but it is all small margins.
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all our centre forwards have been missing sitters, they still get games, sure he wasn’t brought to be in the U21s,
 
Jamesimus

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Genuine question, who was the last teenager to play for us and score 4 goals and get an assist in an U21s game? Must have happened before?
 
Jamesimus

Jamesimus

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Boicey said:
I'm not sure many pros would see being picked for a club's junior team as anything but a bit of a snub by the manager.
It's hardly great on the CV is it?
But let's hope he gets some game time against Preston and scores.
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Hopefully not a snub and he’s trying to be kept sharp as he hasn’t played as much recently?
 
Hobo

Hobo

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Boicey said:
If 'grounding" is being turned into a passionless, predictable player, who doesn't raise their voice or opinions, then no thanks.
We seem to have plenty of those already.
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It's not about taking the passionate side away it's about channeling it in the right direction.

Young players often bring energy and enthusiasm. Which fans buy into. What young players lack is decision making and game management.

Fans will crucify any player off the back of poor results. Fans aren't really interested in development of players just results. Even when given results they often don't understand how they have been achieved?
 
Boicey

Boicey

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Hobo said:
I never said he walked into the side. I said he can't just walk in to the side.

You argue Robin's picked him then question why Robins has held him back? Do you trust Robins or not?
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Apparently you don't think Robins should have played him in the first team.
As stated above I think Robins has been quite odd on this. Although it fits with his chopping and changing, not knowing his best 11 and general poor use of subs who never seem to impact a game positively.
 
Hobo

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fernandopartridge said:
8-0 though

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To me that says Birmingham were really poor as much as we were good.

Perhaps everyone thinks playing that side against Preston is the way to go?

Great result for the team but it is still just a development match.
 
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