Match Thread Coventry City - West Bromwich Albion Match Thread - Friday 18th Apr (19 Viewers)

[napolimp]

you may have to accept this in the Premiership - we are not done yet ! PUSB

If we were in the Premier League, I'd fully expect to lose 38 matches across the season. And I'd still be delighted.

 

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[Paxman II]

Mowbray always stacks up defensively. He will do so again. We have a few injuries but a good squad that should cope. Allen could be a big factor.He was awesome against Sunderland...if only he could be that consistant? But if we get that from Allen then Sheaf can be benched, who is notorious for slumbering his way to match fitness. I disagree about DaSilva. I've seen more crosses come in from Bidwells trusty left foot on the overlap than anything from DaSilva? We can't afford another weak defended attempt. We also need to bring in Tats more and instruct Simms to get in the 6 yard box quicker and throw himself at the ball if necessary! Binks in? We need some height. Collin's still worries me. Thought the Hull keeper was amazing the way well struck balls stuck to him like glue and on crosses showed tremendous confidence and commanded his area.
We need to start well and get an early goal.

 

[Lamps]

Would we have averaged the same PPG across the whole season under Lampard? Would be nice to think so but how many years have we had now where we've spent the off season talking about how we've got a relatively settled side and should hit the ground running yet it never seems to happen.

Assuming we don't go up this year that will be the big test for Lampard. Not sure we've got a huge number of players who will be eyeing moves to bigger clubs and hopefully there's scope to strengthen the squad so hopefully, finally, we'll have a decent start to the season and not throw away the first few months.

I'm quite sure we wouldn't have got the same PPG under Lampard if he was in place from the start of the season. But I'm also quite sure we would have got more points if he had been. When you consider we're in 6th and 3 points above 7th and were just 2 points above the relegation places when he took over the table would look totally different now.

The reason I'm hopeful for next season is Lampard will be able to shape the squad himself and have a pre season with them. Gyokeres should move this summer and if we sell any of our better players we should have a decent pot to strengthen with. Leicester are un a mess and should be hit with sanctions/points deduction. Southampton look like they could struggle. Looks like it could be the perfect season to give it a serious go.

 

[David O'Day]

Mowbray always stacks up defensively. He will do so again. We have a few injuries but a good squad that should cope. Allen could be a big factor.He was awesome against Sunderland...if only he could be that consistant? But if we get that from Allen then Sheaf can be benched, who is notorious for slumbering his way to match fitness. I disagree about DaSilva. I've seen more crosses come in from Bidwells trusty left foot on the overlap than anything from DaSilva? We can't afford another weak defended attempt. We also need to bring in Tats more and instruct Simms to get in the 6 yard box quicker and throw himself at the ball if necessary! Binks in? We need some height. Collin's still worries me. Thought the Hull keeper was amazing the way well struck balls stuck to him like glue and on crosses showed tremendous confidence and commanded his area.
We need to start well and get an early goal.

You don't watch a lot of games do you?

 

[Para1140]

We need to stop Fellows. All their goals come from his creativity down the left cutting the ball back in to the area. I really dont know whether JDS or Bidwell can stop him. We need to double mark him like Portsmouth did to EMC. if we allow him to get past our left back and put that ball into the danger zone for Armstrong or Grant we are fcked

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Frankly it shouldn’t be Wright or EMC’s job to do that, it’s what the midfield should be helping with.

Disagree they should be helping out defensively. They cant expect to just stand out wide, and wait for the ball to come to them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Disagree they should be helping out defensively. They cant expect to just stand out wide, and wait for the ball to come to them.

They help out defensively by pressing from the front. It isn’t their game to track back and defend.

 

[David O'Day]

They help out defensively by pressing from the front. It isn’t their game to track back and defend.

so the midfielders should leave big gaps in the middle? nah

wide players have to track back

 

[Para1140]

We gave WBA 3k tickets which they have sold out for despite their club moaning about the price. dK was right again

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

so the midfielders should leave big gaps in the middle? nah

wide players have to track back

I’m not sure why people are surprised that EMC and Wright, who’ve spent most of their careers as forwards, aren’t so good at man-marking and defensive duties.

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

Has Adam Armstrong done much for them since he signed ?

 

[David O'Day]

I’m not sure why people are surprised that EMC and Wright, who’ve spent most of their careers as forwards, aren’t so good at man-marking and defensive duties.

that's not the point, they need to at least make an effort. Yes you can high press from the front but if the ball is played through or over that press the wide players need to at least try and get back

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

that's not the point, they need to at least make an effort. Yes you can high press from the front but if the ball is played through or over that press the wide players need to at least try and get back

How far back do you want them to track?

 

[fernandopartridge]

that's not the point, they need to at least make an effort. Yes you can high press from the front but if the ball is played through or over that press the wide players need to at least try and get back

I don't believe they are instructed to be tracking players back to their own penalty area tbf

 

[Macca1987]

We were out of shape as soon as Rudoni decided to argue with the linesman, then Sheaf let their player skin him and get the cross to the far side, nothing in it all smacked of the need for left sided forwards to get back, it was done so quick

 

[clint van damme]

I don't believe they are instructed to be tracking players back to their own penalty area tbf

I've said it for a long time.
Otherwise you have to conclude they're ignoring instructions which I dont think is the case.

Personally I'd prefer it if they were getting back.

 

[skyblueelephant76]

Has Adam Armstrong done much for them since he signed ?

2 goals in 12 matches and dropped for their last game.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What took you so long I was waiting for that reply.

He was pissing by the door.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They help out defensively by pressing from the front. It isn’t their game to track back and defend.

So I assume if the likes of MvE, Dasilva or Bidwell didn't get forward to help them or get crosses in that's fine because it isn't their game to get forward and attack?

 

[David O'Day]

I don't believe they are instructed to be tracking players back to their own penalty area tbf

they will still be expected to cover back when needed, for the hull goal the whole of the defence had shifted right so the lw needs to see that and recognise they need to cover

 

[fernandopartridge]

they will still be expected to cover back when needed, for the hull goal the whole of the defence had shifted right so the lw needs to see that and recognise they need to cover

No, there wasn't anything to cover. We were not overloaded. Da Silva was just blindsided as he often is.

 

[covcity4life]

I want another good performance.

We could sneak a win but play shit but I'd rather dominate and draw

Might sound crazy but if we make playoffs I want to have a good chance of winning the whole thing. We do that by being in form. So the bad luck of a bad result may increase risk of missing out PTS wise but be worth it in long run if we do clinch a playoff spot and go into it playing good football which could help us upset the favourites.

I mean dominating and winning is still option 1 btw

 

[David O'Day]

No, there wasn't anything to cover. We were not overloaded. Da Silva was just blindsided as he often is.

no he wasn't, he's playing as the lcb at that point, wright needed to drop deeper at the point

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So I assume if the likes of MvE, Dasilva or Bidwell didn't get forward to help them or get crosses in that's fine because it isn't their game to get forward and attack?

An important way for us to score goals is putting crosses into the box, so we need full backs who can put good ones in and thus get up and down the pitch. Wright and EMC shouldn’t be stood idle in the final third all game, but they’re not going to have defensive discipline or positional sense when all their past experience is high up the pitch.

Tracking back into the middle third sure, but much further than that and you’re compromising too much.

 

[fatso]

Has Adam Armstrong done much for them since he signed ?

Only 2 goals in 12 appearances, but that's actually more prolific than Simms has been this season.

Hopefully Armstrong won't increase his tally before the seasons over.

 

[David O'Day]

An important way for us to score goals is putting crosses into the box, so we need full backs who can put good ones in and thus get up and down the pitch. Wright and EMC shouldn’t be stood idle in the final third all game, but they’re not going to have defensive discipline or positional sense when all their past experience is high up the pitch.

Tracking back into the middle third sure, but much further than that and you’re compromising too much.

nonsense, so they just allow teams to overload us? if the full back and 2 midfielders go forward that will give the opposition an extra man even if the 2 cdms drop back as well

that's mad tactics that no one does

 

[fernandopartridge]

no he wasn't, he's playing as the lcb at that point, wright needed to drop deeper at the point

Just because he's tucked in doesn't mean he's playing as a centre back

 

[wingy]

I'm sure pep or arteta would have.

 

[David O'Day]

Just because he's tucked in doesn't mean he's playing as a centre back

but he is at that point as lati has moved into a rb position, kitching has moved to latis position and JDS then moves to Kitchings position

look at where all 3 defenders are stood, he has not "tucked in", the whole line has shift one position to the right

 

[David O'Day]

JDS is in the position he is in because of the positions of Lati and Kitching

The right back is also wide open as well so one of the attacking players needed to be more alive to that and drop into that space

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

An important way for us to score goals is putting crosses into the box, so we need full backs who can put good ones in and thus get up and down the pitch. Wright and EMC shouldn’t be stood idle in the final third all game, but they’re not going to have defensive discipline or positional sense when all their past experience is high up the pitch.

Tracking back into the middle third sure, but much further than that and you’re compromising too much.

They may not have the defensive discipline or positional sense when all their past experience is high up the pitch but then full backs aren't going to have the attacking nous or crossing ability when all their past experience is further back the pitch,

An important way for us not to concede goals and leaving full backs exposed is to have the more attacking wide players drop back to help out.

If you want the full backs to get forward and get crosses in and also be solid defensively while those ahead of them are largely absolved from defensive duties then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Either they both support each other at both ends of the pitch or they focus entirely on their own primary job.

Basically it's the 4-5-1 to 4-3-3.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

nonsense, so they just allow teams to overload us? if the full back and 2 midfielders go forward that will give the opposition an extra man even if the 2 cdms drop back as well

that's mad tactics that no one does

As I asked you before, how far back do you want our forwards to track? We might well be crossing wires on this.

 

[Jay88]

Yep. We’ve struggled over the line in plenty of games. Portsmouth, Oxford home and away, Stoke. Threw points away at Norwich and Hull. Our GD tells a big story too.

It’s fine if we don’t make it, because I think 25/26 will be a very good season.

Absolutely, fingers crossed hopefully a better start than the past 3 seasons!

 

[quinn1971]

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JDS is in the position he is in because of the positions of Lati and Kitching

The right back is also wide open as well so one of the attacking players needed to be more alive to that and drop into that space

this is what gets me, da silva defends like that every game So must be getting told to do that, ? Remember the old days when you defended square on,just take a step up and he’s offside, hard to do with your back to the player ?

 

[torchomatic]

The didn’t target Dasilva FFS. This must be the dumbest SBT meme.

It's just a convenient stick to beat JDS with. If they can't criticise him outright, they will use the "he was targeted because he is the weak link" line.