Grendel
Well-Known Member
I'm sure you'll be pleased to know their latest marketing talks about a midlands derby against the Saints.
I think your demeaning attitude to everyone, that if the dont like Wasps they arent enjoying life, is wearing a bit thin. Time to give it a rest.
I love life, really enjoy it but I still wish wasps would f*ck off back to London, and dont particularly like the Ricoh.
The reason I still enjoy life is I am mature enough to make decisions based on what I know and how I feel, without letting it affect other things in my life. Its having a broad outlook and the intelligence to seperate things in life.
I am sure you have that intelliegnce too, but not when you keep talking to people like some sad old teacher telling them that they must get over it to enjoy life.
I dont need to tour the UK every week, although do travel extensively, nor do I probably have the riches you seem to enjoy letting us know you make from the car parking, thats your life not everyone elses, and it feels like you are trying to boast your way to that 'happiness' I am happy with my life without that, and without wasps thanks.
I am sure there are things that you dont like in life, but I am equally sure that you can also enjoy it as well, just like th rest of us.
I'm sure you'll be pleased to know their latest marketing talks about a midlands derby against the Saints.
I know where you're coming from. I rarely use the carpark, usualy use the metal fabricators car park for a fiver unless it's full (once this season). Sorry but i like a hot chocolate and chocolate bar at half time but i take some comfort in he fact that the club take something from it. Only been in the casino once this year and that was because we went on one after the game and caught the train back.
This drive to the bottom drives me potty.
The CCFC can't have it so nobody can attitude !!!
Not advocating some NOPMesque campaign or anything like that. Mainly just tickets and merchandise really. It may not make a different toil the move is ultimately a success or not but IMO its the right thing to do. Attending their games just condones their move and allows them to shout about attendance figures and ticket revenues. Would they be able to claim the move was a success if there was only a couple of thousand turning up every game? .
Not in italia world
I try not to get involved with these things anymore, because it has become very tiresome, but it is as plain as the nose on your face.He ain't the only one. Some hide behind the excuse that Sixfields was the temporary move the same way Italia hides behind the excuse that Wasps move is permanent. Rather ironically the former are some of the most judgemental against Italia.
Going to Sixfields was entirely wrong, and so too, by the same token, is going to Wasps.
Isn't going, condoning the move that was wrong?Moving to Sixfields was wrong going wasn't.
Wasps moving to Coventry was wrong going isn't.
He ain't the only one. Some hide behind the excuse that Sixfields was the temporary move the same way Italia hides behind the excuse that Wasps move is permanent. Rather ironically the former are some of the most judgemental against Italia.
I try not to get involved with these things anymore, because it has become very tiresome, but it is as plain as the nose on your face.
They SAID it was only temporary.
They also said though that there was no way they were coming back to the Ricoh. That boat had sailed.
We all know they were NOT going to build a new stadium.
Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to work out, if they weren't building a new stadium and weren't coming back to the Ricoh, how was Sixifelds only temporary?
They said temporary, but we all knew that if they weren't coming back, it was going to be anything but temporary!
Isn't going, condoning the move that was wrong?
It was temporary, it would have been up until an announcement / plan saying otherwise. It was only agreed as temporary with the FL also wasn't it? As I have said over and over, the moment they announced it was for good or we would be moving to Daventry then it wouldn't be temporary.
I said I would go if it was temporary before, during and after but the moment it came out as full time or confirmation it would be full time somewhere else I would be done with football. That is without hindsight.
The difference is that I was watching the team I have supported since I was 4 or 5 during a temporary move, I didn't bang on and on about my morals and principles and drop them as soon as a team I have no affinity with came along.
Sounds like something Italia would have said had he gone to Sixfields. The comparison is obvious.
Disagree Nick. Not a case of believing them over the new stadium. We just knew that it was logistically not going to happen.So we didn't believe them about a new stadium but we did that they weren't coming back? It was only agreed as temporary, the FL were only going to allow temporary. Until there was an official announcement saying "We are now moving to xxx forever" then it was temporary, which it turns out it actually was.
I really don't think it is anything to do with believing them on one thing and not on the other. One was never going to happen, while the option was feasible but the club were saying it just wasn't going to happen.
Big difference for me.
The difference is:
temporary - lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent.
permanent - lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely.
Had it been permanent, I'd certainly have never gone and I bet a few more wouldn't have either.
Where was it confirmed we were moving to for good? Sixfields was only ever agreed as temporary wasn't it? The FL would only allow temporary.
I am trying to say it without hindsight also, as I did say many times if it ever went full time I'd be done.
As I say Nick, I am tired of the same old thing and I usually keep well away from these threads. It is just stuff regurgitated ad nauseum.Where was it confirmed we were moving to for good? Sixfields was only ever agreed as temporary wasn't it? The FL would only allow temporary.
I am trying to say it without hindsight also, as I did say many times if it ever went full time I'd be done.
Regardless you still condoned the move by going to Sixfields the same as Italia condones the wasps move by going to see them at the Ricoh.
We gained nothing from Sixfields and lost alot and that was only ever going to be the case. No hindsight was needed to see that. It was stupidity to move the club there temporary or permenant and you condoned stupidity by playing along with the folly.
At the moment it's like a hard-line Tory trying to convert a militant leftie and vice versa.
I think everyone is now pretty much entrenched in their positions. Can't really see the point into continuing to argue the toss.
You're not going to change Italia's viewpoint. He's not going to change yours.
I hope Wasps fail, but I think they are other things much more worth talking about.
At the moment it's like a hard-line Tory trying to convert a militant leftie and vice versa.
Yep, agree with you. There's some right dodgy owners out there in the football world and if Wasps bought us I would still go up.I agree it is down to personal boundaries and how far would people accept. The difference is though lots of people were telling other people what they should and shouldn't think and what they should and shouldn't do which is now why when they do the opposite people pull them up on it.
Some people would stop going if Wasps bought us tomorrow, I would still go as long as we were coventry city and not Wasps FC in black and yellow. Just an example. (not trying to turn it into a wasps ownership thread, just a personal limit example)
I was willing to go there to support my team while it was temporary, if it had changed then I wouldn't have.
If Italia has supported Wasps his whole life and wasn't having a go at people at went to Sixfields then I would agree with you.
As I've said, I have no issue with people going to watch Wasps. If a lifelong Rugby fan from Coventry wants to go and enjoys it then fair play to them, I only have digs when it is people who kept flexing their morality muscles at Sixfields.
Whatever. You still condoned the move to Sixfield by attendining the same way as Italia condones the Wasps move by attending. You may both have different reasons but the basic principle is the same.
Can you point me to where I abuse people who go to Wasps (apart from digs at certain people who loved to give it out)? Go on about people being spineless? Go on about my morals etc?
A lot of people go to watch Wasps, I haven't had a go at them or try to tell them they are wrong.
That is why Italia gets pointed out, as he did that. Whereas Big Dave from down the Rugger Club hasn't been lecturing people about their morals daily, so I for one certainly wouldn't have a go if he wanted to go and watch Wasps.
I never said you did, although apparently because it's Italia he's fair game to you.
If you read what I said, i said that your reasoning might be different but the basic principle applies in that you both codone the moves by attending. I didn't mention anything about a dick swinging competition based on why it was OK for you to attend Sixfields and wrong for Italia to attend wasps games.
So anyone attending games at the Ricoh condones Sisu and their approach as owners of the club?
I wouldn't have thought so. So anyone paying council tax in Coventry condones the sale of the Ricoh to wasps? Take a day off. You don't have to be a prat everyday of your life.
Just for the record I never had a go at anybody for going to Sixfields. Nick keeps saying it to suit his Wasps arguments and you guys believe it.
I only pointed out that Sisu's plan for obtaining the Ricoh under their terms relied on the team being in Northampton and fans being seen to support that.
But you are saying those went to Northampton then they condone the move by the owners and buy into the strategy. So surely those who attend CCFC games at the Ricoh are condoning the owners strategy now. What is the difference?
Council tax payers have a legal obligation to pay council tax so that is a desperately inappropriate analogy I'm afraid. They cannot opt out if they do not agree with a strategy.
I guess this means you're going to stop berating Italia for attending Wasps games then? No, I didn't think so.
There's a big difference between supporting your club at it's home ground and supporting an unnecessary (from the clubs point of view) move to Northampton by attending. It was worse than that. With the exception of 1 lady on 1 occasion as far as I know not one person attending protested about it while they were there. Condone is an understatement.
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