If it wasnt for Doyle we wouldn’t have got promoted in my opinion, we had a spell when he was out of the team and we were useless. I would like Ogogo was the logical replacement for him this season and due to his age we will probably see a change of the guard after ChristmasBut this outcome was predicted by several (including me). He's 37, and was never that good. But he clearly has leadership qualities that nobody else in the team has - altho' Davies might do
Doyle was instrumental in last season's promotion but the standard was a league below and we had many players come into that team through the season, with no previous football league experience (e.g. Biamou, Hyam, Shipley, Bayliss) who he helped immensely but now have a season in men's football under their belt with other more experienced additions to the squad.If it wasnt for Doyle we wouldn’t have got promoted in my opinion, we had a spell when he was out of the team and we were useless. I would like Ogogo was the logical replacement for him this season and due to his age we will probably see a change of the guard after Christmas
Ah the old “18 years old” gets used again as if it’s a free pass if a player doesn’t perform.I love the use of ‘at last’ here. He’s played 12 professional games, and of that his last 5 or so have been really good performances. At last that 18 year old had put his first 7 indifferent (not bad) professional performances behind him, been such a gruelling wait, we’ve been so patient.
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The polls haven't closed yet on this week's player ratings but the "exit poll" indicates that the two weakest players yesterday were Doyle and Bayliss (Doyle just shaded it as the worst) So we don't have a midfield problem so much as a central midfield one.Seems there is a general consensus of views on yesterday's games and no real wild differentials.
Nice for a change.
The main bones of contention seem to be Bayliss and Doyle, but no-one is wildly out I don't think.
I don't think anyone played particularly badly yesterday, but if we did have to focus on any weakest links it would be this pair.
Bayliss seemed to flit in and out of the game and Doyle wasn't as influential in the middle of the park either.
Wycombe were poor yesterday though. After Plymouth, surely the worst side we've faced aren't they?
Yeah, Burge used to scare the life out of n, but no I feel comfortable with him in goal.Burge - 7- doesn't scare me anymore, and distribution has vastly improved. Oggy out!
Sterling - 8 - has found his feet now and I prefer him to Grimmer
Willis - 8 - complements Davies well
Davies -8 - complements Willis well
Brown - 6 - Still more to come from him I think.
Thomas - 7 - Good first half, not so much in the 2nd. Frustrating. Another Ryan Kent but slightly better
Bayliss - 6 - Not his best game but I still think something good is going to happen when he gets the ball
Doyle - 6 - Terrible corners and free kicks and spent too much time on the left touchline
Hiwula -7- I like the way he makes space for himself to receive the ball
Chaplin - 7 - Good header to score but as others have said, needs to play further up
Clarke-Harris - 7 - I liked his musicality, but needs to work the hips more and step more with the heels.
I don';t think the cha-cha is his dance.
Burge 7
Sterling 7.5
Willis 8
Davies 8.5
Brown 7
Doyle 6.5
Bayliss 5
Thomas 7
Hiwula 7
Chaplin 7
JCH 7
Kelly 4
Bakayoko 4
Tom Davies MOTM for me, commanding leader at the back and distribution was 90% bang on. Sterling showed more of what he’s about and had the confidence to get in behind once to deliver a quality cross for us to score from. Similar desire and application that gave JCH his goal against Sunderland. I want to see more of this.
Doyle was steady and did what we know him to do, the greater disappointment for me was Tom Bayliss.
Yes he’s young but for me he needs a rest. Ineffective and anonymous for too much of the game and for over a month now if we’re honest. L1 is a step up for him and it’s showing currently.
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“Houston we have a problem”
Well the Doyle love lasted one whole season.
It was the same when he was here before. Always got slagged off/was said to be not good enough... yet as soon as we left we miss him.
The 3 game he didn’t play last year we missed him.
Drop him and we will miss him.
Kelly isn’t the same type of player. Robins has come out and said as much.
By total ratings awarded, second best performance after Barnsley, marginally better than Gillingham. This seems generous as one act of real skill, by Sterling, bailed us out of a 0-0 that would have brought heaps of recriminations on here.
I think fans are - and quite rightly - pointing out his poor set pieces. We should let a range of players take set pieces not just one.
Well no that’s not what they are pointing out.
Nevertheless I have said I agree about set plays.
I don’t agree with a ‘range of players’ mind you... almost all teams have set play specialists. No point in swapping it around in turns like on primary school
It's not turns like primary school. Depending on where the free kick or set piece is. Doyle is hopeless at them.
Davies on free kicks around half way if we weren't sending defenders up. Thomas on cornersWho would you have put on them yesterday?
I think he’s probably the best of the lot of the pitch?
When Shipley and Kelly play they tend to take some depending on the routine.
Burge 7
Sterling 7.5
Willis 8
Davies 8.5
Brown 7
Doyle 6.5
Bayliss 5
Thomas 7
Hiwula 7
Chaplin 7
JCH 7
Kelly 4
Bakayoko 4
Tom Davies MOTM for me, commanding leader at the back and distribution was 90% bang on. Sterling showed more of what he’s about and had the confidence to get in behind once to deliver a quality cross for us to score from. Similar desire and application that gave JCH his goal against Sunderland. I want to see more of this.
Doyle was steady and did what we know him to do, the greater disappointment for me was Tom Bayliss.
Yes he’s young but for me he needs a rest. Ineffective and anonymous for too much of the game and for over a month now if we’re honest. L1 is a step up for him and it’s showing currently.
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It's Doyle's fault that Bayliss isn't playing the role he can, Bayliss isn't able to spend as much time in the final 3rd as he's sat in the centre circle covering for Doyle's role as quarter back.
Doyle was instrumental in last season's promotion but the standard was a league below and we had many players come into that team through the season, with no previous football league experience (e.g. Biamou, Hyam, Shipley, Bayliss) who he helped immensely but now have a season in men's football under their belt with other more experienced additions to the squad.
That spell when Doyle was out and we were poor has turned into urban legend and the run of results seems to have been chalked up to missing Doyle but there was so many other influential factors. Partly it's been built up to be much more than it was because it coincided with the disappointment of the performance in front of a massive home gate against Accrington and then the FA cup exit to Brighton.
In addition, in the previous game at FGR we lost Davies with a broken collar bone and Grimmer to a hamstring tweak - for me, the real defining moments of those back to back losses.
It was then 3 games without Doyle - lost 0-2 to Accrington, by far the best team in the league, with a visibly unfit Kelly who'd been rushed back to cover Doyle's knock, a completely new look defence and then on the back foot immediately after Dion Kelly-Evan's mistake at RB after 5 mins. Not to mention the woeful 45 minutes from Maguire-Drew before he was subbed off at halftime (never to start again?)
Then we lost 2-1 to Colchester with probably the worst XI creatively we'd put out all season:
Burge
Willis, Hyam, McDonald, Stokes
Vincenti, Bayliss, Kelly, Shipley
McNulty Biamou
3 CBs in a back 4 which include Stokes and 4 CMs across the midfield. The lack of pace in that team was chronic. McDonald's performances were on the decline at that point, he and Hyam not very suited as a pairing (see Yeovil), Willis struggling technically with the ball going forward at RB, Vincenti in front of him brought back out the blue. Shipley and Stokes offering little threat on the other flank and a still struggling Kelly in the middle. While Robins left our only naturally attacking wide player, Kyel Reid, on the bench until the 92nd minute.
Final game was Brighton and hopes there were higher than reality after the Stoke and MK Dons games.
That spell was of course made harder by missing Doyle but it's banded about as one of the reasons he's undroppable this season however it's a tip of the iceberg (and lazy) argument that ignores the far weightier issues that were happening at the time.
Not so sure about that notion. If you have a right back taking corners from the left you need a real rejig of your formation for that circumstance.I'd put Sterling on corners, his crossing is decent
Agree with your point on Sterling and to amplify my earlier comment about Doyle, I just don't like defensive players taking corners, as it leaves you exposed to quick breaks.Not so sure about that notion. If you have a right back taking corners from the left you need a real rejig of your formation for that circumstance.
I would have thought Tom Bayliss should be able to deliver a good ball into the box.
Davies on free kicks around half way if we weren't sending defenders up. Thomas on corners
I'd put Sterling on corners, his crossing is decent
His crossing on the whole hasn't been that great, he puts in more bad than good crosses. I like him but not his strong point. Barring Saturday of course!!
You say Sterling and Thomas can't cross when people are saying Doyle can't take corners or free kicks. Did you see Doyle's attempt at the weekend, the one that nearly cost us a goal from a counter attack?
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