Evo1883
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Then we need to ban fast food outlets , stop selling cigarettes and alcohol and we'd save a hell of alot more , this doesn't wash after all these people have made decisions that have lead to financial strain on the NHS
Because unvaccinated people are more likely to need hospitalisation and medical attention, putting pressure on the health services and reducing the ability for it to provide treatment for other people, some of whom may have serious conditions.
To be honest this for me is the same as those that get tanked up/ fight on a night out or need help after shoving something up their arse. As much as the decent human being in me doesn't want to see them denied healthcare just letting them have free care for something self-inflicited and completely avoidable doesn't seem right. I bet people would be a lot more careful if they knew it'd end up costing them.
Then we need to ban fast food outlets , stop selling cigarettes and alcohol and we'd save a hell of alot more , this doesn't wash
All of those things can be taxed to mitigate their effects and arguably give control over standards preventing even worse problems.
How do you tax people that aren't vaccinated?
Not sure why we're talking about letting people starve but wouldn't the existing rules apply? If you chose not to work you'd get your benefits stopped. Thats what happens now and there's hardly uproar about it.Nobody has thought this through ? You can't let people starve, you can't let them die and you can't force them to stay indoors , you also can't force anything on them ..so what you going to do ? Pay for them from your wages instead ? Brilliant
Not sure why we're talking about letting people starve but wouldn't the existing rules apply? If you chose not to work you'd get your benefits stopped. Thats what happens now and there's hardly uproar about it.
We have things like food banks because there's people who don't receive enough assistance from the state.
Why? Look at the increase in homelessness in recent years, the increase in food bank use, the increasing numbers in poverty. Where's the eruption for those things?the country would erupt
Why? Look at the increase in homelessness in recent years, the increase in food bank use, the increasing numbers in poverty. Where's the eruption for those things?
If, and its a huge if, we move to mandatory vaccinations it will just be that you can't do certain jobs without being vaccinated. That's already been done in other countries without any eruption.
Vaccinations have been a condition of employment in the NHS long before covid existed.What about the 100k NHS staff who are being sacked in March because they are not willing to be injected?
Vaccinations have been a condition of employment in the NHS long before covid existed.
They could. But I think probably less damaging than the self inflicted staffing problems caused by Brexit. But that sort of decision will be taken by experts who will weigh up the risk of less staff against the risk of unvaccinated staff.But you can admit it may pose a staffing problem come march ?
And thus putting more strain on the NHS
Or else you're not eligible for the job. Nobody is going to force anyone to get a vaccine, it won't happen.I agree with the vaccines btw , I just won't ever fall in line with the " you must or else " line .
Irritates me
Or else what ?
They could. But I think probably less damaging than the self inflicted staffing problems caused by Brexit. But that sort of decision will be taken by experts who will weigh up the risk of less staff against the risk of unvaccinated staff.
Or else you're not eligible for the job. Nobody is going to force anyone to get a vaccine, it won't happen.
Look, in principle I agree with you. Generally compulsory vaccines or compulsory anything is not something I go for.I agree with the vaccines btw , I just won't ever fall in line with the " you must or else " line .
Irritates me
Or else what ? What the fuck is a corrupt , fat , scruffy twat like Boris going to do ? Pay for them to sit at home by the sounds of it
Look, in principle I agree with you. Generally compulsory vaccines or compulsory anything is not something I go for.
But drastic times drastic measures and these thick fucking cunts who won’t get a jab because they watched some Twat with an online PHD on tik tok who are now putting my gran at risk can go fuck themselves. Get the jab or you give up your own freedoms - the rest of us have done our bit.
Listen if the impact of not getting vaccinated was that you’d just go off and die somewhere then that’s fine and I’d agree with you. But it’s not, unfortunately their stupidity/attention seeking/fear of needles/mental fear of not being in control has a significant negative externality of taking up beds in the ICU for our NHS.I can't agree ..ever ..with those last words I'm afraid
And many vaccinated people are just like me , feel the same
But some of those self-same people are quite happy to make no attempt to keep me and my family safe. And nobody's segregating, they're just expecting people to deliver a negative LFT.I don't know how you can pick issue with an 'inflammatory comment', but think it is alright to segregate human beings based on medical treatment. That's why I call it weak minded.
I get that you and many other people want to feel safe and get their lives back, I do too, but this just isn't on.
Maybe not but if they "don't believe in science" and then want science to save them, it would serve them right.Denying anybody medical care is not on, however. You can't discriminate on stupidity.
I really don't think so. Ultimately, people in need have to be helped.Maybe not but if they "don't believe in science" and then want science to save them, it would serve them right.
Then mandate vaccines. You can’t have both, this is the whole pointDenying anybody medical care is not on, however. You can't discriminate on stupidity.
Too apathetic!I'd sooner see the country burn , many would ..
So I say ... bring it , then people like monkey will see the real power of the people
That’s strange, I haven’t seen you voice concerns about mandatory vaccines for health workers?I'm very pro vaccine , had both and hoping for the booster ASAP .
I don't think I will ever be comfortable with mandatory jabs , what they going to do ? Pin them down ? Stop them buying food ? Stop them receiving medical treatment ? Stop them walking the street ?
Will never be for me .. the thought repulses me
My daughter doesn't want it , what am I to do ? Force her ? Never
I might waffle , but seriously , what happens after ? When they still refuse ? What then ?
Nobody has an answer, because there is no thought after the initial sentence of " you shall pay for the Consequences of your actions " is there ?
Nonsense soundbite , that's all it is
I'm very pro vaccine , had both and hoping for the booster ASAP .
I don't think I will ever be comfortable with mandatory jabs , what they going to do ? Pin them down ? Stop them buying food ? Stop them receiving medical treatment ? Stop them walking the street ?
Will never be for me .. the thought repulses me
My daughter doesn't want it , what am I to do ? Force her ? Never
I really don't think so. Ultimately, people in need have to be helped.
They would /should prioritise based on severity as they do now for most things anywayBut what is the answer – one bed left in ICU, 2 patients needing that bed:
First patient is Colin 23 with the tin foil hat on who insists he only speaks Klingon, not vaccinated by choice and has been out and about as if no pandemic exists, thinks its all a conspiracy until now but blames Bill Gates for him being ill.
Patient number 2 is Maud, over 60 has an underlying condition so cannot be vaccinated, for most of the pandemic she’s been staying in, not seeing her family apart from through a window, lonely but trying to do the right thing by keeping herself safe and considering others as she knows not being vaccinated could make it easier to spread.
So the older lady who’s likely to die sooner due to age or Colin?
We aren't other countries , and there's been huge protests around Europe
Goes more extreme , the protest wont die out will They?
How long before these people are allowed to apply for jobs again btw ?
This is why the argument is all over the place.Vaccinations have been a condition of employment in the NHS long before covid existed.
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