Where did I say vaccination will have no effect? My point was even if vaccinated it is still possible to catch and transmit it. Let’s all start again.
Oh I’m sorry. Who were you referring to then?
I hope you are right, but the point is, if you have passed on to some else who is fully vaccinated, that person may still catch it but is less likely to get seriously ill or need hospital treatment., hence helping to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed this winter. That's why the covid pass matters.I won’t need to go to hospital. I’m sure of that. My ‘space’ there can go to someone who lives an unhealthy lifestyle instead.
Of all the misinformation spread in the last two years, the idea that only fat/old/unhealthy people can be hit hard by covid is one of the more dangerous
So to what extent does it lessen the the symptoms and spread.
Even if that were the case, the number of people with some kind of underlying health condition in the world is fairly large!Of all the misinformation spread in the last two years, the idea that only fat/old/unhealthy people can be hit hard by covid is one of the more dangerous
That's right, I am not overweight but being over 80 I am old as Rich puts it. I have spent much of the last 2 weeks in and out of hospital having various tests, and actually one of the biggest concerns for me is whether I will catch covid from being there. I am fully vaccinated however so that worry is mitigated to a certain extent, but I could tell some of the hospital staff were worried about the covid influx that may be coming.Of all the misinformation spread in the last two years, the idea that only fat/old/unhealthy people can be hit hard by covid is one of the more dangerous
Even if that were the case, the number of people with some kind of underlying health condition in the world is fairly large!
Aye, and a friend of mine who ended up in hospital. Younger than me, fitter than me. Sure, they didn't die (but it took a fair old while for them to be able to get up the stairs at home without being short of breath) so in the stats people quote in such a blase way, they're not a death.The point anyway is a vaccine is proven to massively reduce risk of hospitalisation and people who can’t be bothered and end up in it are a resource drain
The system will always treat you but if you drive around on a motorbike without a crash helmet and end up in a trauma unit you are still clearly an idiot
I won’t need to go to hospital. I’m sure of that. My ‘space’ there can go to someone who lives an unhealthy lifestyle instead.
I vote for oblivion.@Nick yeet this fucker into off topic (or the sun) please
So you want me shut down. If it makes you feel better go for it.I vote for oblivion.
So you want me shut down. If it makes you feel better go for it.
The problem is whenever any mitigation is mentioned you get people saying its not 100% effective and then leap from that to its therefore not worth doing. Its always going to be a case of trying to find a balance between how intrusive mitigations are and how effective they are.Where did I say vaccination will have no effect? My point was even if vaccinated it is still possible to catch and transmit it. Let’s all start again.
The problem is whenever any mitigation is mentioned you get people saying its not 100% effective and then leap from that to its therefore not worth doing. Its always going to be a case of trying to find a balance between how intrusive mitigations are and how effective they are.
All the evidence suggests that getting the vaccine is the single most effective mitigation and that transmission among the vaccinated is lower. So vaccinations and vaccine passes, which don't actually prevent you doing anything just mean you have to show a QR code on your phone, are hardly a big ask or unreasonable restrictions.
Similarly we know masks help, we also know not all masks are the same, cloth masks aren't as good as surgical which aren't as good as N95. Again its not hugely restrictive to ask people to wear masks in public places, there's coutries where its just an accepted courtesy and has been for years.
Vaccinations, vaccine passports, masks and wfh where possible are all things that don't really stop anyone doing anything and have the potential to impact the spread.
Same as they do in every other country I guess. What do they do when they go to events that only do digital ticketing or places that are cashless?How are the elderly going to cope when going into pubs & having to show the app on their phones? Some of which might not even have a phone or understand how to use it
How long until we have to show our medical status to buy food from a supermarket or fuel from a petrol station. It’s a very slippery slope.
I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?More food and fuel for the non stupid people then
I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?
I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?
I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?
I wouldn't bother trying to argue. Almost two years of psychological warfare has had a bigger effect on some people than others, and society has become a bit 'Lord of the Flies'.
At least it’s a fictional book now and not a Nazi atrocity
What nazi atrocity would that be?
Also, didn't you claim on here that you had a beer belly once? Perhaps we should remove your health care for being a burden on the NHS too.
The option currently seems to be shut everything, and everyone, down, or enact some measures, that's the way it is at present.I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?
I wouldn't bother trying to argue. Almost two years of psychological warfare has had a bigger effect on some people than others, and society has become a bit 'Lord of the Flies'.
How the hell can someone who isn’t jabbed kill someone who is fully jabbed. That makes no sense. Surely the only risk is to the unjabbed.The other point anti vaxxers refuse to address is what gives them the right to socialise in venues with a consequence it could end up resulting in a death of an elderly relative of someone else attending who has done the decent thing and had been fully jabbed
Absolute bollocks.How are the elderly going to cope when going into pubs & having to show the app on their phones? Some of which might not even have a phone or understand how to use it
Psychological warfare that's a new one
It won't go away. Either the impact of vaccines, the building up of natural immunity, and / or the weakening of the virus itself will result in 'normal', however you choose to define it.Well, look at the state of it.
Normal people that would have usually regarded themselves as tolerant and liberal, taking the moral high ground in societal issues. Now the next set of restrictions are met with weak minded acceptance whilst pointing the finger at anyone else they can to make themselves feel better. This includes happily segregating part of the population and supporting extremely dangerous and totalitarian measures. It is almost funny but for the fact that is has been going on for so long, which in my view is also why many people have started to become desperate for a slight bit of hope that life can become normal, and will accept any move of the goal posts as long as that hope still hangs there.
I have said on here before that my wish is to get everyone vaccinated. People may then realise that this is never going to go away even when everyone is, and that a real plan B needs to start being thought about. If not we are still going to be here in another two years arguing about the same old shit and life will not have got back to normal.
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