COVID pass (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Those raising concerns are (in general) being denied coverage by the national press. Hence the only voices you get to hear are those who are in agreement with big Pharma.
When eminent expers like DR Robert W Malone MD (the man credited with the invention of Mrna vaccines) says we shouldn't be getting mass vaccinated for covid 19 you'd think that would make the news surely? Or at least it would generate some debate.
But no, these people are denied a voice.
Why is that the case?

Any one interested can still search Dr Malone on line, and for anyone not just happy to be spoon-fed BS by the media he makes very interesting if somewhat worrying reading.

I'm unvaccinated myself and had covid 2 weeks ago, so had plenty of time on my hands to read all sides of the argument.
What I found was quite shocking.

If your interested I'm my experience of having covid as a middle aged unvaccinated man with no underlying health issues. I can jonestly say I was rough for about 3 days, with flu like symptoms, and I lost my sence of taste and smell which has still not returned to normal as yet. The coughing was annoying but didn't get to my chest, I returned to work after 10 days but did feel very fatigued. The fatigue took longer to get over than I expected and was the hardest symptom to deal with.
That's my honest account of having covid.
Having a vaccine may have reduced the symptoms (I'll never know) but personally I'm happy I never had it. I now have natural immunity which I believe is better for me.

Ladies and gentleman here is Dr Robert Malone

How Dr Robert Malone invented Antivaxxery

“People who feel deprived of the credit that they think they deserve will gravitate to new friends who do at least pretend to respect them sufficiently.” -Smut Clyde

forbetterscience.com

 

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[fatso]

The medical consensus says that what you said is bollocks.

The medical consensus THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HEAR say its bollocks.

If its Bollocks, why is there no open debate, why are so many qualified experts being shut down.

 

[fatso]

Ladies and gentleman here is Dr Robert Malone

How Dr Robert Malone invented Antivaxxery

“People who feel deprived of the credit that they think they deserve will gravitate to new friends who do at least pretend to respect them sufficiently.” -Smut Clyde

forbetterscience.com

It's sad when your happy to link those who seek to discredit and rubbish the guy who invented the Mrna vaccine, but your not too keen to link any of his lectures or opinions on the subject.
You are just part of the machinery looking to shut down debate, and hide facts.
Be objective now and search his lectures and post them to allow readers the opportunity to have a balanced view.

Is that too much to ask?

 

[Grendel]

It's sad when your happy to link those who seek to discredit and rubbish the guy who invented the Mrna vaccine, but your not too keen to link any of his lectures or opinions on the subject.
You are just part of the machinery looking to shut down debate, and hide facts.
Be objective now and search his lectures and post them to allow readers the opportunity to have a balanced view.

Is that too much to ask?

The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation

Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?

amp.theatlantic.com

 

[mr_monkey]

Those raising concerns are (in general) being denied coverage by the national press. Hence the only voices you get to hear are those who are in agreement with big Pharma.
When eminent expers like DR Robert W Malone MD (the man credited with the invention of Mrna vaccines) says we shouldn't be getting mass vaccinated for covid 19 you'd think that would make the news surely? Or at least it would generate some debate.
But no, these people are denied a voice.
Why is that the case?

Any one interested can still search Dr Malone on line, and for anyone not just happy to be spoon-fed BS by the media he makes very interesting if somewhat worrying reading.

I'm unvaccinated myself and had covid 2 weeks ago, so had plenty of time on my hands to read all sides of the argument.
What I found was quite shocking.

If your interested I'm my experience of having covid as a middle aged unvaccinated man with no underlying health issues. I can jonestly say I was rough for about 3 days, with flu like symptoms, and I lost my sence of taste and smell which has still not returned to normal as yet. The coughing was annoying but didn't get to my chest, I returned to work after 10 days but did feel very fatigued. The fatigue took longer to get over than I expected and was the hardest symptom to deal with.
That's my honest account of having covid.
Having a vaccine may have reduced the symptoms (I'll never know) but personally I'm happy I never had it. I now have natural immunity which I believe is better for me.

I'm sorry but using the phrase "big pharma" instantly reduces your credibility to zero

These people aren't given a voice as what they are saying is wrong and dangerous and they are just looking for their 5 minutes of fame (I would link to things about him but a) Grendel has already done a fine job of it and b) you are so far down the rabbit hole you wouldn't listen anyway and probably dismiss it as fake news

If you are interested, my experience of covid (as a guy in his late 30s with no underlying health issues) was being in the ICU for over a week and still with complications now almost a year later so I too have had plenty of time to look over things and any side that has to make their points in memes rather than hard facts isn't for me I'm afraid

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation

Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?

amp.theatlantic.com

His track record isn't great, recently...

The medical consensus THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HEAR say its bollocks.

If its Bollocks, why is there no open debate, why are so many qualified experts being shut down.

How can there be a debate on consensus? There are so few rogues on this particular subject, that it's not possible to have a debate, as they're in such a savage minority.

If I tell you the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese, do I warrant a place on the Sky at Night?

 

[shmmeee]

Your clearly set in your beliefs, which is fine, good for you.
I'm happy to sit tight and wait for the inevitable mass health problems that will inevitable occur. The only people who arnt worrying are the unvaccinated.
If you have any genuine interest in listening to medically qualified experts who are expressing genuine concerns then pm me your whatsapp and I'll forward plenty of info for you to listen to.

Mate. We’ve jabbed billions of people and there are no mass health concerns. None. Vaccines aren’t like other drugs that stick in your system, my Jab from July will be all gone now, just the immune response remaining.

I don’t know who you’re listening to, but they 100% do not know what they’re talking about.

 

[AOM]

The problem is when you see anti vaxxers on TV or Media they quote genuine medical people that gives apparent justification

One the other day was Coleman - he is a qualified doctor - but an absolute crank who said heterosexuals can’t get AIDS and opposes vaccines full stop.

You also sometimes get the healthcare professionals/scientists who are named, but when you research further they work in completely separate areas and nothing related to vaccinations.
There was that case mentioned in the Coronavirus thread where someones "expert" contact was a nutritionist...

People see 'doctor' and go with it

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You also sometimes get the healthcare professionals/scientists who are named, but when you research further they work in completely separate areas and nothing related to vaccinations.
There was that case mentioned in the Coronavirus thread where someones "expert" contact was a nutritionist...

People see 'doctor' and go with it

I can put Doctor in front of my name, and you sure as hell wouldn't want me advising on infectious diseases and vaccines...

 

[bawtryneal]

Go and visit the hospitals and see the wards full of people who choose not to get vaccinated, now wising they had !!

Go and speak with the people waiting for non covid treatments who cannot get treated due to non vaccinated people filling the beds

Everybody should be compulsory vaccinated in my opinion. end of story

That is why anti vacc rubbish stories should not be aired

PS My 85 year old father with dementia ( a top skyblue fan in his day, sorry to bring up football on a fans forum) spent 2 days last week in hospital in a corridor with sepsis due to no beds available due to above. He is now thankfully in a bed getting treatment at Walsgarve. The strain on him, my mother and myself the last 10 days has been terrible.

Get F`ing Vaccinated

 

[chiefdave]

Any one interested can still search Dr Malone on line, and for anyone not just happy to be spoon-fed BS by the media he makes very interesting if somewhat worrying reading.

I've just done exactly that and found that Malone's claims to have invented mRNA vaccines could charitably be described as disputed. When questioned on these claims it seems he points to an article written by his wife as proof of his claims.

Also found that the paper he was pushing as proof of his claims regarding covid vaccines was later retracted, ""The article was evaluated by the Editor-in-Chief with the support of several Editorial Board Members. They found that the article contained several errors that fundamentally affect the interpretation of the findings."

 

[chiefdave]

Go and visit the hospitals and see the wards full of people who choose not to get vaccinated, now wising they had !!

You don't even need to do that. There was a documentary on the BBC that was filmed at Walsgrave.

BBC Two - Hospital, Series 7, Episode 1

With their critical care unit at capacity, University Hospital fights to restore services.

www.bbc.co.uk

Go and speak with the people waiting for non covid treatments who cannot get treated due to non vaccinated people filling the beds

That would be me. My initial consultant appointment at UHCW was postponed for 18 months. I've now been referred for tests but warned that due to the backlog the wait will be over a year.

 

[Saddlebrains]

To be fair

I'm past giving a toss whos vaccinated and who ain't.

We're 2 years down the line almost and were still in the shit.

Doest look like any avenue attempted so far works, does it?

 

[mr_monkey]

To be fair

I'm past giving a toss whos vaccinated and who ain't.

We're 2 years down the line almost and were still in the shit.

Doest look like any avenue attempted so far works, does it?

To be fair

That makes you part of the problem as to why we are still in the shit

 

[Deleted member 5849]

To be fair

I'm past giving a toss whos vaccinated and who ain't.

We're 2 years down the line almost and were still in the shit.

Doest look like any avenue attempted so far works, does it?

It's a damned site better than it was last Christmas. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be talking about going to a football match, let alone the only limit on it being a swab up your nose for 10 seconds.

 

[Saddlebrains]

To be fair

That makes you part of the problem as to why we are still in the shit

Oh does it mate? Ive had 2 jabs so suck arse you parsnip

 

[Saddlebrains]

It's a damned site better than it was last Christmas. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be talking about going to a football match, let alone the only limit on it being a swab up your nose for 10 seconds.

Agree with that, but it's more the divide thats nauseating now

'HE HASNT HAD A JAB HES A MASSIVE TWAT KILLING PEOPLE

'HE'S TRIPLE JABBED HES A SHEEP WHO HAST RESEARCHED ANYTHING'

its well boring

 

[mr_monkey]

Oh does it mate? Ive had 2 jabs so suck arse you parsnip

As most people on here know my preference is to do that so don't try and use it as an insult please

And again getting offensive when being called it isn't a very good look is it (and is part of the problem)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Agree with that, but it's more the divide thats nauseating now

'HE HASNT HAD A JA HES A MASSIVE TWAT KILLING PEOPLE

'HE'S TRIPLE JABBED HES A SHEEP WHO HAST RESEARCHED ANYTHING'

its well boring

What I'm thoroughly baffled at is the outrage from some. As it stands, there are no restrictions on actually doing anything, they just ask you to take some measures to help slow spread of a deadly virus. Coventry City fans facebook page is thoroughly depressing, a number of people saying how you just scan in your Covid LFT and say it's negative. I mean why the fuck wouldn't you just take the test at that point?!? Whatever your views of control, it's a special kind of person who wilfully inflicts an infectious disease with the potential to kill, whatever it is, on somebody else.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

To be fair

I'm past giving a toss whos vaccinated and who ain't.

We're 2 years down the line almost and were still in the shit.

Doest look like any avenue attempted so far works, does it?

We wouldn't be able to consider going to football unless the intervention by the vaccination programme was in place.
Vaccination has made a significant difference to life in the UK and reduced the numbers in hospital, etc. However, it's incredibly disappointing that the majority of people now in ICU are unvaccinated.
This is having a knock on effect on people with other conditions, who are having their operations, etc postponed due to lack of capacity.

 

[Saddlebrains]

As most people on here know my preference is to do that so don't try and use it as an insult please

And again getting offensive when being called it isn't a very good look is it (and is part of the problem)

Being called out as what?

Are you calling me pro vax? Anti vax? Im snookered here

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Those raising concerns are (in general) being denied coverage by the national press. Hence the only voices you get to hear are those who are in agreement with big Pharma.
When eminent expers like DR Robert W Malone MD (the man credited with the invention of Mrna vaccines) says we shouldn't be getting mass vaccinated for covid 19 you'd think that would make the news surely? Or at least it would generate some debate.
But no, these people are denied a voice.
Why is that the case?

Any one interested can still search Dr Malone on line, and for anyone not just happy to be spoon-fed BS by the media he makes very interesting if somewhat worrying reading.

I'm unvaccinated myself and had covid 2 weeks ago, so had plenty of time on my hands to read all sides of the argument.
What I found was quite shocking.

If your interested I'm my experience of having covid as a middle aged unvaccinated man with no underlying health issues. I can jonestly say I was rough for about 3 days, with flu like symptoms, and I lost my sence of taste and smell which has still not returned to normal as yet. The coughing was annoying but didn't get to my chest, I returned to work after 10 days but did feel very fatigued. The fatigue took longer to get over than I expected and was the hardest symptom to deal with.
That's my honest account of having covid.
Having a vaccine may have reduced the symptoms (I'll never know) but personally I'm happy I never had it. I now have natural immunity which I believe is better for me.

@fatso, What reason does the national press have to deny coverage of those who are raising concerns?

 

[mr_monkey]

Being called out as what?

Are you calling me pro vax? Anti vax? Im snookered here

Moaning that you can't be arsed with it all but then moaning nothing is happening to make it better, bit contradictory isn't it

 

[Saddlebrains]

Moaning that you can't be arsed with it all but then moaning nothing is happening to make it better, bit contradictory isn't it

Just fucking sick of it. Always someone with an opinion ( not aimed at you )

Got loads of them at work. A few who shout about those who aren't jabbed being the issue, then those that arent jab blaming them and vice versa.

 

[mr_monkey]

Just fucking sick of it. Always someone with an opinion ( not aimed at you )

Got loads of them at work. A few who shout about those who aren't jabbed being the issue, then those that arent jab blaming them and vice versa.

I get that completely mate and due to my experiences with it all I think I took what you said the wrong way so I apologize for that (I'm on edge today for some reason )

I just wish the ill informed bellends would just shut the fuck up and do what is best for everyone

 

[bawtryneal]

Just fucking sick of it. Always someone with an opinion ( not aimed at you )

Got loads of them at work. A few who shout about those who aren't jabbed being the issue, then those that arent jab blaming them and vice versa.

How can it be those who have been jabbed are the problem ??

Totally baffling.

 

[bawtryneal]

You don't even need to do that. There was a documentary on the BBC that was filmed at Walsgrave.

BBC Two - Hospital, Series 7, Episode 1

With their critical care unit at capacity, University Hospital fights to restore services.

www.bbc.co.uk

That would be me. My initial consultant appointment at UHCW was postponed for 18 months. I've now been referred for tests but warned that due to the backlog the wait will be over a year.

Hope it works out for you and get your consultation soon.

 

[fatso]

To be fair

That makes you part of the problem as to why we are still in the shit

Or it makes him someone who's actually prepared to ask the questions that need asking!

Remember "15 days to flatten the curve" ?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Is a COVID pass what Sheaf does?

 

[MalcSB]

Apparently,the new mutations occur in the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated.
If your unvaccinated, your body will eventually kill the virus (if the virus doesn't kill you first)
But in the vaccinated, the virus can still live on even after you have no symptoms.
This apparently is when it can mutate.

Also, if your unvaccinated, and you come into contact with an infected person, you MUST isolate. But if your vaccinated you don't have to isolate, so your free to potentially spread the virus further!

So in short, the vaccinated are spreading the virus, and incubating new variants!

Mutations occur when a virus attempts to replicate itself. To replicate itself, a virus has to get into the host’s cells and use the hosts cellular proteins. The vaccine attacks the virus’s spike proteins with the aim of preventing the virus getting in the host cells, affecting its ability to replicate and hence minimising the opportunity for mutations / new variants.

Those who have not been vaccinated are therefore handy incubators for new variants.

Fatso - you are talking bollocks.

 

[Sick Boy]

Do we really have to put up with TikTok doctors’ antivaxx crackpot theories on this part of the forum?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Do we really have to put up with TikTok doctors’ antivaxx crackpot theories on this part of the forum?

Or indeed, on any part...

 

[robbiekeane]

which fucking all is it there are about ten on the app store

NHS App
NHS Covid Pass Verifier
NHS COVID-19
NHS Scotland Covid Status (assuming not this one)

 

[Finham]

Michelle Obama is a man.

That was in the documentary, some slack jawed American's were in it insisting that she was and that their children are stolen sex-slaves! Amazing.

 

[Liquid Gold]

which fucking all is it there are about ten on the app store

NHS App
NHS Covid Pass Verifier
NHS COVID-19
NHS Scotland Covid Status (assuming not this one)

Nhs app