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Deleted member 5849 · Jul 5, 2014

Anyway yes, credit to the club.

Ironically the football side seems quite competently run atm. Actually selling a player for a decent price, using as much of those proceeds as able to, to get some replacements... and some half decent replacements too it seems, on paper at least.

It's the same kind of strategy we usedto do fairly sanely in the days pre-Richardson. Of course the proof of the pudding is in the corner delivery, but the players seem of the right 'sort' too, for what we need.

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Grendel said:
Violent crime was more common place in the 50's and 60's - crimes against women were far more accepted.

The Krays and their like were treated as heroes. Today they'd be branded as the vile, disgusting thugs they were.

Women and kids were a lot safer in their manor. The least safe people were the other crooks. You might have had to pay protection money, but then you was safe.

It might not have been ideal, but it wasn't as bad as some like to make out.

Sky Blue Kid · Jul 5, 2014

@hill83....Grenduffy....Not unlike the "Hero Worship of the "Woman Beater" Marlon King, of today then!....She said "NO" Marlon......Issue "In the latest figures from 2012 to 2013 published by the ONS it is estimated that around 1.2 million women suffered domestic abuse and over 330,000 women were sexually assaulted. Domestic and sexual violence is often hidden away behind closed doors, with the victim suffering in silence. We are determined to support victims in rebuilding their lives, reporting these crimes, and to make sure perpetrators are brought to justice. We all need to do more to prevent violence against women and girls happening at all"......Still think Violent crimes against women were more "The Norm" back in the 50's and 60's ?

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
Women and kids were a lot safer in their manor. The least safe people were the other crooks. You might have had to pay protection money, but then you was safe.

It might not have been ideal, but it wasn't as bad as some like to make out.

Fuck me... now I've seen it all. :facepalm:

SkyblueBazza · Jul 5, 2014

Not read all the posts on the thread..but the actual fee is "Undisclosed" unless someone can confirm otherwise. A quick search reveals this £3m is from the Daily Mail (nuff said?)
Rumoured few's are often every number they can find all added together whereas I think subsequent actual fee can differ from the rumoured fee by about -40%.

So do not expect a sudden rush of cash...whatever fee has been agreed half or more is probably deferred until promoted to the PL &/or set number of appearances &/or appearing for England.

We might only currently have got £750k for him in the bank.

PUSB

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Samo said:
Fuck me... now I've seen it all. :facepalm:

Are you saying that women and kids are safer now?

The least safe thing to be them days was a crook. Now not even old people are safe. The courts and prisons are too soft. Or do you see it differently?

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

SkyblueBazza said:
Not read all the posts on the thread..but the actual fee is "Undisclosed" unless someone can confirm otherwise. A quick search reveals this £3m is from the Daily Mail (nuff said?)
Rumoured few's are often every number they can find all added together whereas I think subsequent actual fee can differ from the rumoured fee by about -40%.

So do not expect a sudden rush of cash...whatever fee has been agreed half or more is probably deferred until promoted to the PL &/or set number of appearances &/or appearing for England.

We might only currently have got £750k for him in the bank.

PUSB

Looks like it was 2m + cash. Then loans and possibly add ons.

Sky Blue Kid · Jul 5, 2014

@ Samo......Your sarcastic reply and even more sarcasm towards "Astute's" post, speaks volumes mate!

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
Are you saying that women and kids are safer now?

The least safe thing to be them days was a crook. Now not even old people are safe. The courts and prisons are too soft. Or do you see it differently?

''you may have to pay protection money'' you say... as if its a bit of a nuisance! Yeh those Krays were alright!
It's easy to think that everything was great in the good old days but sadly, human nature was much the same... Did you know that there were thousands of child prostitutes in London in the respectable Victorian era? And what do think would happen to a girl who cried rape? What do you think would be the chances of prosecuting the perpetrator, even as recently as the 60's? Women and children are probably safer now than they have ever been.

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Samo......Your sarcastic reply and even more sarcasm towards "Astute's" post, speaks volumes mate!

So, are you going to answer my question re morals?

Sky Blue Kid · Jul 5, 2014

@ Samo......I believe I asked a question of you first....still waiting?

Paxman II · Jul 5, 2014

It's a funny thing this argument on whether you are safer today than you were back when...

Why is it then that I still won't let my daughter walk to work alone (about a mile) and she says you once did it when you were my age?

The world has changed and not for the better no matter what comparisons you may draw up out of the past.

maybe the argument is not so much about morals but personal standards and respect for themselves and others? That is the biggest change I've seen.

We have acceptance of so much nowadays that it becomes the 'norm' as they say.
When I ran my nightclub in Bournemouth in the 80's if you had a tattoo you were barred from entering until you put a long sleeve shirt on and covered them up! tattoo's in fact were less prevalent back then.

Look at the City centres on a Saturday night. Clubbing was fun and a few drunks were dealt with easily but today we have under age girls so out of it, just lying in the street.

Fashion dress was a sense of pride and style. Today it can be beyond grunge with the waist line of your jeans done up around your ankle!

Yes self respect, respect for others seems non existent in so many. Degrading yourself is not anything to brag about. Their are no badges of honour in it but this society has become more desensitised from it all and is eroding fast.

Is there a moral compass somewhere? And if there is what is it? What's right and what's wrong?

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Samo said:
''you may have to pay protection money'' you say... as if its a bit of a nuisance! Yeh those Krays were alright!
It's easy to think that everything was great in the good old days but sadly, human nature was much the same... Did you know that there were thousands of child prostitutes in London in the respectable Victorian era? And what do think would happen to a girl who cried rape? What do you think would be the chances of prosecuting the perpetrator, even as recently as the 60's? Women and children are probably safer now than they have ever been.

Victorian era? Never studied that myself. But things have certainly changed since then.

So tell me how many innocent people came to harm with the Krays against what happened to other villains. I am not saying that they were perfect. Far from it. But to say it is safer now for the average person.....are we talking about the same time when most people didn't lock their doors?

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Samo......I believe I asked a question of you first....still waiting?

If you mean the one about free's being sold on, you actually asked Nick I believe. I did chip in with one example and I will admit that after that the cupboard is a little bare. However, there is more to it than that... Moussa for example - How much would he have been worth if he had signed an extension? The better frees come because they are at a low point and are signed on a short contract, they rebuild their reputation and then look to move upwards. So we will rarely get the chance to sell a really good free, Clarke being the exception.

Your turn, Mr. Morals...

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Paxman II said:
It's a funny thing this argument on whether you are safer today than you were back when...

Why is it then that I still won't let my daughter walk to work alone (about a mile) and she says you once did it when you were my age?

The world has changed and not for the better no matter what comparisons you may draw up out of the past.

Yeh wasn't it great when it was perfectly acceptable to knock your Mrs about? And we had heroes like Saville, Hall and Harris for our kids to look up to!

Sky Blue Kid · Jul 5, 2014

@ Samo......I believe I asked a question of you first....still waiting?...btw....Someone who is sarcastic all the time, about everything, is revealing a deeper psychological problem. Someone whose reaction to everything is to belittle or tear down needs to do some serious introspection about their own values or lack thereof. In extreme cases that kind of cynicism and negativity can be a hallmark of nihilism, which is immoral.

Paxman II · Jul 5, 2014

samo bad people existed back then as they do now, no one denies that. It's the sheer propensity of people willing to commit crime today, with our ever lenient system that counts. The Saville's of this world may of got away with it perhaps but that does not change the facts.

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Samo......I believe I asked a question of you first....still waiting?...btw....Someone who is sarcastic all the time, about everything, is revealing a deeper psychological problem. Someone whose reaction to everything is to belittle or tear down needs to do some serious introspection about their own values or lack thereof. In extreme cases that kind of cynicism and negativity can be a hallmark of nihilism, which is immoral.

I just answered your question... is there another I've missed? You think all your posts beginning 'lmfao' are not sarcastic? I'm a very positive person thank you very much, my sarcasm is an astonished reaction to the idiocy on display. Nihilism you say? Well I do reject all religious principles yes. But certainly not moral principles. But you seem disinclined to discuss morals.

SkyblueBazza · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
Looks like it was 2m + cash. Then loans and possibly add ons.

More rumour really though Astute. Until we see the finer points all we can do is speculate how much dosh we got both now, & in the future from the deal.

PUSB

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Paxman II said:
samo bad people existed back then as they do now, no one denies that. It's the sheer propensity of people willing to commit crime today, with our ever lenient system that counts. The Saville's of this world may of got away with it perhaps but that does not change the facts.

Sorry to disagree Pax but the facts are that they got away with it and in these awful modern times they almost certainly would not have. Some things have turned to shit, yes, but there are plenty that are a whole lot better.

henry the wasp · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
Women and kids were a lot safer in their manor. The least safe people were the other crooks. You might have had to pay protection money, but then you was safe.

It might not have been ideal, but it wasn't as bad as some like to make out.

Kids definitely weren't safer under the krays. They used to supply rent boys to lord Boothby.

wingy · Jul 5, 2014

SkyblueBazza said:
More rumour really though Astute. Until we see the finer points all we can do is speculate how much dosh we got both now, & in the future from the deal.

PUSB

Undisclosed from the Bournmouth end ,hope i'm not repeating as havn't read whole thread .

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Samo said:
Sorry to disagree Pax but the facts are that they got away with it and in these awful modern times they almost certainly would not have. Some things have turned to shit, yes, but there are plenty that are a whole lot better.

So how many women get murdered by their partners? How many child sex gangs are getting caught? How many are getting caught trying to meet up with young girls on the net?

And when they do get caught the sentence doesn't match the crime. IIRC recently someone got 11 life sentences. He was able to go for parole after 7 years. And then you have the stupid human rights where the person committing the crime can have more rights than the person who the crime is committed against. The law has become a joke.

johnniericoh · Jul 5, 2014

Can't seem to get too enthusiastic somehow with the dramatic never ending turnover of players with majority on short term contracts and input of loanees - where is the continuity, loyalty and commitment. Just journeymen passing through this basket case of a club of which 90% of us never seeing them in live play.

Woe is me

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
So how many women get murdered by their partners? How many child sex gangs are getting caught? How many are getting caught trying to meet up with young girls on the net?

And when they do get caught the sentence doesn't match the crime. IIRC recently someone got 11 life sentences. He was able to go for parole after 7 years. And then you have the stupid human rights where the person committing the crime can have more rights than the person who the crime is committed against. The law has become a joke.

Astute, I agree that the law is far from perfect. But do you think women being murdered and pedophilia are new things? And ''stupid human rights''? Really?
Btw; did you see Henry's post re your beloved Krays?

Colonel Mustard · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
And then you have the stupid human rights where the person committing the crime can have more rights than the person who the crime is committed against. The law has become a joke.

You can't have fewer human rights than somebody else. Everybody has the same rights.

Otis · Jul 5, 2014

Colonel Mustard said:
You can't have fewer human rights than somebody else. Everybody has the same rights.

You try telling my missus that!

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 5, 2014

Paxman II said:
samo bad people existed back then as they do now, no one denies that. It's the sheer propensity of people willing to commit crime today, with our ever lenient system that counts. The Saville's of this world may of got away with it perhaps but that does not change the facts.

As opposed to the sentence of six months for kicking a baby to death? With the mitigation that they were actually trying to kick the mother in the head and missed...

Ah, the good old days...

The Savilles of this world got away with it because it was tolerated, accepted even. Doff your cap to your betters.

Otis · Jul 5, 2014

Haven't quite read the whole thread as it went off tangent slightly, but am I right in saying we have sold Callum Wilson and brought in the Kray Twins on loan?

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Otis said:
Haven't quite read the whole thread as it went off tangent slightly, but am I right in saying we have sold Callum Wilson and brought in the Kray Twins on loan?

Yes that's right, they're friends of Joy's.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jul 5, 2014

Otis said:
Haven't quite read the whole thread as it went off tangent slightly, but am I right in saying we have sold Callum Wilson and brought in the Kray Twins on loan?

Be the first time we'd had a decent "enforcer" since Lloyd McGrath......

ccfcway · Jul 5, 2014

on twitter

"Anybody else heard that Cody McDonald may be returning?"

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Colonel Mustard said:
You can't have fewer human rights than somebody else. Everybody has the same rights.

So you can have an illegal immigrant who commits serious crimes that can stay in this country because of their human rights and someone who has been working here for years paying tax and making a good life for themselves kicked out because they are an easier target.

Otis · Jul 5, 2014

ccfcway said:
on twitter

"Anybody else heard that Cody McDonald may be returning?"

He is.

We play Gillingham at home on the 6th September.

Grendel · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
So you can have an illegal immigrant who commits serious crimes that can stay in this country because of their human rights and someone who has been working here for years paying tax and making a good life for themselves kicked out because they are an easier target.

If you believe everything you read in the Daily Mail yes you can.

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