Cyber attack on the trust (3 Viewers)

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 26, 2019

This is a bonkers statement.

shmmeee · Mar 26, 2019

chiefdave said:
Anyone work in data protection / GDPR? There’s consequences to this sort of thing aren’t there.

If there was a breach they have to report it and tell people their data was compromised yes.

As long as they’ve taken reasonable precautions for data protection (user access levels, passwords, etc. Nothing fancy for an org of their size) then they’ve done nothing wrong.

shmmeee · Mar 26, 2019

Also LOL at “if they have the knowledge to do this”. You guys know what script kiddies are I assume? You don’t need to be Kevin Mitnik to try and hack someone FFS.

Love the derision here compared to Nicks regular accusations that there’s bots everywhere. Maybe everyone on all sides should calm down on the paranoid conspiracy theories.

Sounds like they’ve connected to a dodgy WiFi network while in London and got themselves onto someone’s hit list maybe. Hard to tell without more info.

Nick · Mar 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
Also LOL at “if they have the knowledge to do this”. You guys know what script kiddies are I assume? You don’t need to be Kevin Mitnik to try and hack someone FFS.

Love the derision here compared to Nicks regular accusations that there’s bots everywhere. Maybe everyone on all sides should calm down on the paranoid conspiracy theories.

Sounds like they’ve connected to a dodgy WiFi network while in London and got themselves onto someone’s hit list maybe. Hard to tell without more info.

Ha, apart from I actually have a clue what I'm talking about...

I'd be interested to know the knowledge the Trust have to get exact locations of IP addresses and what it was based on that it the attack originated in "Kensington". Also why they thought a security alert should be reported to the the police.

Don't embarrass yourself like they have.

Briles · Mar 26, 2019

Nick said:
Ha, apart from I actually have a clue what I'm talking about...

I'd be interested to know the knowledge the Trust have to get exact locations of IP addresses and what it was based on that it the attack originated in "Kensington". Also why they thought a security alert should be reported to the the police.

Don't embarrass yourself like they have.

Can you tell me my current location.......

christonabike · Mar 26, 2019

Briles said:
Can you tell me my current location.......

On the end of your bed in your bedsit.

RoboCCFC90 · Mar 26, 2019

Nick said:
View attachment 11845

Has it really resorted to being that blatant? It really is getting desperate.

Didn't have to wait long, some people need to get a grip on reality!

RoboCCFC90 · Mar 26, 2019

Nick said:
You don't think that was the intention do you?

The email address in the article doesn't exist either, theskybluetrust.co.uk hasn't been registered.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

jordan210 · Mar 26, 2019

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shmmeee · Mar 26, 2019

Nick said:
Ha, apart from I actually have a clue what I'm talking about...

I'd be interested to know the knowledge the Trust have to get exact locations of IP addresses and what it was based on that it the attack originated in "Kensington". Also why they thought a security alert should be reported to the the police.

Don't embarrass yourself like they have.

Must have missed your thread on all the fake accounts we have and how you identified them. Sorry mate.

Nick · Mar 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
Must have missed your thread on all the fake accounts we have and how you identified them. Sorry mate.

You mean like when I sent you a PM a while back because I knew you were logging into a different account to which you said it was by mistake? (For the record, I think it was a mistake from using somebody else's computer rather than a full on dual personality).

I've pointed out about the guy on Twitter multiple times recently, must be a conspiracy though? After all they have denied he is involved, since then he's been on a coach to London with them and added as a board member.

Not sure why you get so desperate about it, it's a bit weird.

oldfiver · Mar 26, 2019

RoboCCFC90 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

They are not based in Coventry either !

mark82 · Mar 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
Must have missed your thread on all the fake accounts we have and how you identified them. Sorry mate.

We get alerts based on shared IPs that highlight duplicate accounts. We do occasionally get bots posting spam posts too but the ones that do somehow make it through get deleted pretty promptly (we hardly see any now to be fair but have in the past).

mark82 · Mar 26, 2019

Briles said:
Can you tell me my current location.......

On the old forum we used to get a map under the moderator tools that gave a location of where people were posting from. I can tell you it was wildly inaccurate.

Just as a quick example of how inaccurate IP location can be, a lookup of my IP gives this information....

Your Public IPv4 is: 86.187.175.77
Your IPv6 is: Not Detected
Your Local IP is: 10.113.104.22
Location: Southampton, ENG GB

Once I come off WiFi it tells me I'm in Hatfield. I'm currently sat in a hotel at Gatwick.

fernandopartridge · Mar 26, 2019

I heard that the trust all had a week off work with the millennium bug back at the turn of the century

capel & collindridge · Mar 26, 2019

You know, I just had a thought.... anyone know where in London SISU are based?

dutchman · Mar 27, 2019

capel & collindridge said:
You know, I just had a thought.... anyone know where in London SISU are based?

Finsbury?

CV22SBA · Mar 27, 2019

mark82 said:
On the old forum we used to get a map under the moderator tools that gave a location of where people were posting from. I can tell you it was wildly inaccurate.

Just as a quick example of how inaccurate IP location can be, a lookup of my IP gives this information....

Your Public IPv4 is: 86.187.175.77

Your IPv6 is: Not Detected

Your Local IP is: 10.113.104.22

Location: Southampton, ENG GB

Once I come off WiFi it tells me I'm in Hatfield. I'm currently sat in a hotel at Gatwick.

This was kind of my point earlier. You are using a hotel network and the head office/server will be in Southampton not Gatwick. That’s where you are logging into so that’s where the location of your ip address will be. It’s not inaccurate.

duffer · Mar 27, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
Must be the Russians!!!

Beat me to it, damn!

Nick · Mar 27, 2019

Strange, a Trust board member is now trying to deny they are implying it was related to SISU. A few hours ago he was trying to push the implication...

As keeps being pointed out, why do they let such dickheads have access to their social media? You have people like Moz do a heartfelt interview which fans can relate to and then somebody gets access to social media and ruins it all.

duffer · Mar 27, 2019

As I understand it, if there was a breach (or the possibility of a breach) that compromised personal data, then by law the Trust would need to investigate, document, and depending on the circumstances, notify the ICO.

I think the claim here is that there wasn't a breach exposing personal data, but some kind of attack to pull down the website and email service.

However, attempting to breach the email service, would to my mind potentially expose a considerable amount of personal data; for example email addresses and contact details of trust members and others, that might well have been passed around between officers of the trust for entirely legitimate reasons. That's the sort of thing the ICO would expect to be notified of.

Truthfully, I'm afraid I doubt the competence of the trust to manage this kind of thing properly, nothing that I've seen so far gives me any confidence in them. And that's just at the technical level.

Like many others, I don't want the trust pretending to speak for me, they don't. They can keep the quid though!

covcity4life · Mar 27, 2019

sisu should sue them for defamation

mark82 · Mar 27, 2019

CV22SBA said:
This was kind of my point earlier. You are using a hotel network and the head office/server will be in Southampton not Gatwick. That’s where you are logging into so that’s where the location of your ip address will be. It’s not inaccurate.

Exactly. It's based on the local ISP hub.

chiefdave · Mar 27, 2019

Nick said:
Strange, a Trust board member is now trying to deny they are implying it was related to SISU.

How stupid do they think people are? There is no reason to mention a location whatsoever when announcing something like this but we're expected to believe that the trust innocently published that it was from Kensington, the exact same place they visited last week to protest SISU.

I notice nobody from the trust has responded to any queries regarding the address they went to last week and if they just went to the registered address or if they actually know where SISU's offices are. Clive Eakin must have gone along for CWR as he mentioned on Saturday there was absolutely nothing to indicate it was SISU's place of work.

chiefdave · Mar 27, 2019

mark82 said:
Exactly. It's based on the local ISP hub.

Just checked mine. Got nothing setup to hide my location, not connected to a head office or any other remote system. Shows as Clapham and I'm sat in an office in Solihull.

Nick · Mar 27, 2019

chiefdave said:
How stupid do they think people are? There is no reason to mention a location whatsoever when announcing something like this but we're expected to believe that the trust innocently published that it was from Kensington, the exact same place they visited last week to protest SISU.

Think that's one of the issues, they don't seem to realise that people aren't stupid. They are either a bit slow or they genuinely aren't that bothered that people can see how obvious it is.

It just undoes the good stuff Moz did last week for example, have pointed this out for years that it's the issue when there are people involved who will throw "grenades" and let Moz / CJ take the flack for it.

Terry Gibson's perm · Mar 27, 2019

Was the hack performed by you Nick funded by the super rich Grendel

Nick · Mar 27, 2019

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Was the hack performed by you Nick funded by the super rich Grendel

I drove to Kensington especially to try and login to their site!

Terry Gibson's perm · Mar 27, 2019

Nick said:
I drove to Kensington especially to try and login to their site!

G flew you there in his helicopter

Nick · Mar 27, 2019

Terry Gibson's perm said:
G flew you there in his helicopter

That was Coombe Abbey.

Warwickhunt · Mar 27, 2019

Should someone report it to IOC! after all they have members data on the dbase?:angelic:

oldskyblue58 · Mar 27, 2019

chiefdave said:
I notice nobody from the trust has responded to any queries regarding the address they went to last week and if they just went to the registered address or if they actually know where SISU's offices are. Clive Eakin must have gone along for CWR as he mentioned on Saturday there was absolutely nothing to indicate it was SISU's place of work.

Well I assume they went to 96 High St Kensington London W8 4SG

Which is listed at Companies House as the Registered Office of the Company SISU CAPITAL LIMITED PARTNERSHIP - Overview (free company information from Companies House)

and

On the Financial Conduct Authority as the principal place of business Financial Conduct Authority

oldskyblue58 · Mar 27, 2019

I dont think there was any need to indicate a location in the statement. It doesn't follow that the location of the IP is the physical location of hacker

However the Trust would still have a duty of care to its members to indicate that the site had come under attack and reassure that no breach had occurred.

If no breach has happened then my understanding is that it is not necessary to report to the ICO, but that doesn't mean they should not. Hacking or attempting to hack a site is as i understand it a criminal offence and the ICO advice is to report it to the police

olderskyblue · Mar 27, 2019

chiefdave said:
Just checked mine. Got nothing setup to hide my location, not connected to a head office or any other remote system. Shows as Clapham and I'm sat in an office in Solihull.

So, on this basis, the trust clearly didn't blame SISU, as they too would know the place shown on the ISP does not necessarily represent where the hacker was. You've just exonerated them chief, well done

CV22SBA · Mar 27, 2019

chiefdave said:
Just checked mine. Got nothing setup to hide my location, not connected to a head office or any other remote system. Shows as Clapham and I'm sat in an office in Solihull.

Exactly the point we’ve been making.

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