Dave Boddy (4 Viewers)

Kilclines curly mullet · Aug 25, 2019

Spoke to him outside the ground yesterday.
He said that the move to Birmingham had gone as well as it could have, although nobody wants to be there.
He is still talking to Wasps albeit not specifically about a return (couldn’t quite get this one as if not about a return then what else would they talk about ?)
I quizzed him on income, we make more from F&B at St Andrews, however obviously less in total due to the drop in attendances.
Reckons there would be 13-14k if we were at the Ricoh, with the start we have made.
Was non commital when asked how the loss of income will affect the playing budget next year.
Reconfirmed that Wasps wanted the club to sign something which would have threatened our very existence.
Accepts SISU need to make a statement on what the next steps are.
The release of council emails etc over the summer was as a result of him putting pressure in SISU to be more transparent.

Overall came across very well, it’s clear he wants the club to do well.

AStonesThrow · Aug 25, 2019

Christ that must have been a hell of a chat. Did you have a pre-written set of questions just in case you met him? Haha all jokes aside great questions to ask him, nice to see we aren't struggling behind the scenes at this point in time

skybluesam66 · Aug 25, 2019

Also mentioned that wasps were okay at the minute due to a one off £12 million
Did suggest both sides would feel the pinch come winter

chiefdave · Aug 25, 2019

Kilclines curly mullet said:
He is still talking to Wasps albeit not specifically about a return (couldn’t quite get this one as if not about a return then what else would they talk about ?)

From what I've been led to believe the relationship between Boddy and his Wasps equivalent, whose name escapes me at the moment, is good and if it was down to them we'd still be playing there. It's only when things move higher up at Wasps that the problems start and a lot of their own staff don't agree with their course of action.

So based on that I would assume he's just maintaining the line of communication and hoping at some point Wasps change their tune about indemnity as there's no way the club are ever going to sign up to that.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Aug 25, 2019

chiefdave said:
From what I've been led to believe the relationship between Boddy and his Wasps equivalent, whose name escapes me at the moment, is good and if it was down to them we'd still be playing there. It's only when things move higher up at Wasps that the problems start and a lot of their own staff don't agree with their course of action.

So based on that I would assume he's just maintaining the line of communication and hoping at some point Wasps change their tune about indemnity as there's no way the club are ever going to sign up to that.

Exactly, you need to speak to the organ grinder and not the monkey.

Sick Boy · Aug 25, 2019

We’re lucky to have him at the club, it seems there’s been numerous improvements since he came on board.

BUSA · Aug 25, 2019

chiefdave said:
From what I've been led to believe the relationship between Boddy and his Wasps equivalent, whose name escapes me at the moment, is good and if it was down to them we'd still be playing there. It's only when things move higher up at Wasps that the problems start and a lot of their own staff don't agree with their course of action.

So based on that I would assume he's just maintaining the line of communication and hoping at some point Wasps change their tune about indemnity as there's no way the club are ever going to sign up to that.

Stuart Cain is the guy at wasps but he’s been promoted I believe and a guy from Gloucester rugby marketing/stadium management team has joined wasps.

CCFC54321 · Aug 25, 2019

When wasps are bottom of the league in December I bet the tune changes from them.

Also, 20% of wasps revenue each season goes back to the lenders of that money? There screwed long term.

sw88 · Aug 25, 2019

For the criticisms he recurved when he was first appointed, I do think he’s been nothing but a positive to have at the club.

Very approachable and recall speaking with him last pre season - I forget where the game was but England played immediately after and the away outfit accommodated us City fans so we could watch the game?

Doesn’t always strike me as someone I would look at and think ‘i reckon he could run our football club well’ but every time he speaks, engages with fans, or seems to approach certain situations via any outlet (media, fan engagement etc) he comes out very well!

I’m hopeful he can build a good relationship with the new Ricoh fella (think I read Nick Eastwood is now Wasps vice chairman and not over the Ricoh!)

oldskyblue58 · Aug 26, 2019

CCFC54321 said:
Also, 20% of wasps revenue each season goes back to the lenders of that money? There screwed long term.

No 20% doesn't

oldskyblue58 · Aug 26, 2019

sw88 said:
For the criticisms he recurved when he was first appointed, I do think he’s been nothing but a positive to have at the club.

Very approachable and recall speaking with him last pre season - I forget where the game was but England played immediately after and the away outfit accommodated us City fans so we could watch the game?

Doesn’t always strike me as someone I would look at and think ‘i reckon he could run our football club well’ but every time he speaks, engages with fans, or seems to approach certain situations via any outlet (media, fan engagement etc) he comes out very well!

I’m hopeful he can build a good relationship with the new Ricoh fella (think I read Nick Eastwood is now Wasps vice chairman and not over the Ricoh!)

Think Eastwood has been deputy chairman for some time sw, he is also group chief executive, a director and company secretary.

Cain is chief executive for the stadium and the new guy CEO for the wasps rugby side.

Think they have split the roles so that each concentrate on particular aspects ie stadium, rugby, and strategy.

bradwellskyblues · Aug 26, 2019

the new man from Gloucester is clearly been bought in to beef up the sales and corporate side of things it seems he did a very good job at Gloucester in this area, he is apparently from Birmingham area and a Villa fan. another point the pictures of pitch at ricoh taken recently certainly dont point to an imminent return

harvey098 · Aug 26, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
No they dont

Always good to see you posting OSB... you seem to be quieter these days, hope all is well.

I know you’re well up on CCFC finances... what do you know of Wasps? Are they in as much trouble as some people speculate?

oldskyblue58 · Aug 26, 2019

Am fine, thanks for asking just a lot of other things to do, and tired of the circular arguments and distorted "facts" if I am honest.

Wasps are in a pickle yes. Their biggest problem however is not ccfc not being there but the fact that the EC investigation makes any refinancing more difficult. People need to remember that in the same way that ccfc have rejigged their finances so have wasps. Look at some of the announcements... redundancies, no move on training ground, high profile players left and it paints a picture of problems. The season starting much later doesn't help either. Plus of course no ccfc income.

However take that further and what is the result... costs are lower, money is saved. At a time when they benefit from the CVC share deal, improved tv money and a 2m cash injection from Delaware under their supply contract, new tenant agreements and new major sponsors. Then of course they may not fail this season on the pitch... yes they lost 10 players or so but they have been replaced (not unlike many football clubs). No one knows how they will fare..... depends if they gel or not.... last season they didn't, had many injuries and they had too many expensive stars under performing

I would not expect the wasps balance sheet to have worsened to 30 June 2019 but we should know more come late October but to be honest it's no more than educated guess There is the share sale to include which creates a 12m realised profit so I dont think any trading losses will have fully used that up.

My understanding is that the share sale income must be used on infrastructure...... well that plus any grant income should take care of the new training ground you would think.

Can they cover operating costs of the business going forward though.... any bodies guess same as it is for ccfc..... but looks to me like they are at least making efforts to do so. The CEO said they have a five year plan.... you would think they have to plan without ccfc.

That's my take on them as it stands but things may change

pusbccfc · Aug 26, 2019

Had a similar convo with Boddy at the second home game.

He seems very honest compared to past men and women at the top.

clint van damme · Aug 26, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
Am fine, thanks for asking just a lot of other things to do, and tired of the circular arguments and distorted "facts" if I am honest.

Wasps are in a pickle yes. Their biggest problem however is not ccfc not being there but the fact that the EC investigation makes any refinancing more difficult. People need to remember that in the same way that ccfc have rejigged their finances so have wasps. Look at some of the announcements... redundancies, no move on training ground, high profile players left and it paints a picture of problems. The season starting much later doesn't help either. Plus of course no ccfc income.

However take that further and what is the result... costs are lower, money is saved. At a time when they benefit from the CVC share deal, improved tv money and a 2m cash injection from Delaware under their supply contract, new tenant agreements and new major sponsors. Then of course they may not fail this season on the pitch... yes they lost 10 players or so but they have been replaced (not unlike many football clubs). No one knows how they will fare..... depends if they gel or not.... last season they didn't, had many injuries and they had too many expensive stars under performing

I would not expect the wasps balance sheet to have worsened to 30 June 2019 but we should know more come late October but to be honest it's no more than educated guess There is the share sale to include which creates a 12m realised profit so I dont think any trading losses will have fully used that up.

My understanding is that the share sale income must be used on infrastructure...... well that plus any grant income should take care of the new training ground you would think.

Can they cover operating costs of the business going forward though.... any bodies guess same as it is for ccfc..... but looks to me like they are at least making efforts to do so. The CEO said they have a five year plan.... you would think they have to plan without ccfc.

That's my take on them as it stands but things may change

OSB58 - what is your take on how some of wasps partners at the Ricoh, The casino, Delaware etc will have reacted to City not being there?
I know they have signed new contracts but surely the foot fall being reduced by around 250,000 a year must have affected them?

oldskyblue58 · Aug 26, 2019

Depends if wasps can convince them that other things will to any degree replace footfall.

The casino core business is not football fan income. Made a post a week or two ago giving my take on potential casino loss

Delaware will be able to control their margins better etc.

Vodafone get their 5g hub and all the opportunity that brings

Bottom line is they all knew the risk they all knew of the problems between wasps and ccfc and yet they all jumped in and signed up...... so rather than saying they will all be upset perhaps we should all ask why given the risks etc they still signed up on lengthy agreements?

oldskyblue58 · Aug 26, 2019

Kilclines curly mullet said:
Spoke to him outside the ground yesterday.
He said that the move to Birmingham had gone as well as it could have, although nobody wants to be there.
He is still talking to Wasps albeit not specifically about a return (couldn’t quite get this one as if not about a return then what else would they talk about ?)
I quizzed him on income, we make more from F&B at St Andrews, however obviously less in total due to the drop in attendances.
Reckons there would be 13-14k if we were at the Ricoh, with the start we have made.
Was non commital when asked how the loss of income will affect the playing budget next year.
Reconfirmed that Wasps wanted the club to sign something which would have threatened our very existence.
Accepts SISU need to make a statement on what the next steps are.
The release of council emails etc over the summer was as a result of him putting pressure in SISU to be more transparent.

Overall came across very well, it’s clear he wants the club to do well.

Just a few comments on what he said.

A month or so ago he was saying that finances had been planned around season tickets of 2500 because of the f&b income being so much better. Now we might be struggling by January?

Is he still talking with any purpose or because it keeps the NDA agreement on the discussions going

So f&b is a percentage of the revenue it would seem ie sales less costs split between ccfc and ccfc with ccfc getting a bigger percentage than at the ricoh. It cannot be big numbers surely?

Given the start and last seasons average crowds then 13k isnt much of a increase in an irrelevant hypothetical figure. We are not at the ricoh and it shows the loss of income ccfc has.... which must feed in to what they can spend. Without player sales the playing budget is in crisis.

Would like the parties to actually detail what it was exactly to be signed. Never going to happen of course. So far there has been much talk and very little detail. Struggling to see what it was that threatened our existence.... seems strange that wasps want ccfc there but want to put them out of business. So I try to keep an open mind on that without there being any detail so far.

Agree sisu do need to say what happens next ..... I suspect they cant until EC issue resolved

Whilst I think the fans need to know what was going on in the past...... that all parties have been less than transparent... one of the feelings i was left with from the sisu and club PR at the time was that part of the purpose was to burn bridges ...

Grendel · Aug 26, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
No it doesn't

How much do they get back - it all seems s bit confusing - it seems potentially the kick back could be high

Premiership clubs set to hand over bigger revenue share to CVC Capital Partners

oldskyblue58 · Aug 26, 2019

I agree it is confusing and past history suggests CVC do well out of such arrangements. Going to depend how CVC can market the competition I guess. You would think that the contract wouldn't leave the clubs worse off each year but who knows .

The post I replied to was on about the loans though

Nick · Aug 26, 2019

oldskyblue58 said:
I agree it is confusing and past history suggests CCC do well out of such arrangements. Going to depend how CCC can market the competition I guess. You would think that the contract wouldn't leave the clubs worse off each year but who knows .

The post I replied to was on about the loans though

Wasn't he on about the CVC thing?

Hobo · Aug 26, 2019

One interesting point is CVC also own Pro14, so may look to merg this with the Prem shedding South African and Italian teams.

Chances are there would only be slots for the top four or five English teams. The Prem would still be the first tier for English rugby.

oldskyblue58 · Aug 26, 2019

Nick said:
Wasn't he on about the CVC thing?

Either way wasps do not pay out 20% of revenue each season to the bond holders, or to any other loan provider or cvc

skybluebeduff · Jan 30, 2020

Does anyone have a link where Dave Boddy said publicly that Wasps terms to stay at The Ricoh would of put the club at serious financial risk?

Nick · Jan 30, 2020

NEWS: Statement issued by Coventry City Owners SISU following groundshare announcement

I think thats one of them?

skybluebeduff · Jan 30, 2020

Nick said:
NEWS: Statement issued by Coventry City Owners SISU following groundshare announcement

I think thats one of them?

That will do, cheers Nick.

Nick · Jan 30, 2020

I am not sure if Tynan or Dave Boddy said it since but that's what Google showed me first.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 30, 2020

Think it’s fair to say wasps and their representatives don’t agree with that statement. Wonder why they haven’t explained why publicly

vow · Jan 30, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Think it’s fair to say wasps and their representatives don’t agree with that statement. Wonder why they haven’t explained why publicly

Because....see my avatar

shepardo01 · Jan 30, 2020

.....Wasps CEO joking about having his new house trashed by Wasps fans......
The irony.......

AOM · Jan 30, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Think it’s fair to say wasps and their representatives don’t agree with that statement. Wonder why they haven’t explained why publicly

Probably not asked ;-)

oldfiver · Jan 30, 2020

shepardo01 said:
.....Wasps CEO joking about having his new house trashed by Wasps fans......
The irony.......

He is a Villa fan as well !

rob9872 · Jan 30, 2020

oldfiver said:
He is a Villa fan as well !

In that case I'd consider getting some wasps gear and torching it for him but dont want to contribute any revenue to them. Might have to dig out my old Bees speedway stuff

shepardo01 · Jan 30, 2020

rob9872 said:
In that case I'd consider getting some wasps gear and torching it for him but dont want to contribute any revenue to them. Might have to dig out my old Bees speedway stuff

I did leave a comment saying it would more likely be City fans.........

pipkin73 · Jan 31, 2020

shepardo01 said:
.....Wasps CEO joking about having his new house trashed by Wasps fans......
The irony.......

Can't find it, does not come up when i click in it, was going to sign up and give him some shit

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