Therefore logically the CCFC gates should be greater than 11k. The belief that most people care about the club is misplaced.
Logically there should be more chance of a team that has been established for longer in the City than the franchise. We do have 130 years on them after all.
Therefore logically the CCFC gates should be greater than 11k. The belief that most people care about the club is misplaced.
The desire for wasps to fail is perfectly understandable. It is understandable on both an emotional and practical level. The emotion is clear - it is not hard to see why sections of the fan base would not resent a club being franchised into the area, especially given the circumstances of the clubs own move two years ago. I would suggest the opposition has been far more placid than a lot of clubs.
On a practical level it's difficult to see how the clubs position could be worsened by their demise. Certainly having to rely on them as landlords given their own tenous grasp on financial stability and valuing customer loyalty is far from ideal.
As regards "dicking around" who knows who approached who first. There is suggestions that Richardson targeted the Ricoh even before taking over wasps. One thing we do know is that the council did not offer to sell their share and that the club were told £6 million was a reasonable offer for half the ground.
The club didn't move to Northampton for 3 years. I suggest your briefing consultant on CCFC should be fired for that one.
Keeping details secret of course raises suspicion. The council having assured taxpayers ACL was profitable and then breaking even was exposed as a deceit. Public assets should have details shown or is their something to hide? It seems the move to ensure the details of West Ham's purchase of the rights to run the Olympic Stadium may open a door that can be pursued by others to find out the details.
The comparison with the clubs deal is an absurd side swipe and I think you'll find most of the deal is open. The boys that aren't will be tied into the restrictions imposed by the council.
The last paragraph assumes a big if. The big if actually is if wasps want the club around. They have the right to terminate after two years - not the club. If they were so interested in retaining the club long term why would they impose this?
Wasps like sisu make big promises. New training ground, regeneration, never playing on Saturdays, never leaving their heartland in the London area. Sadly they seem to have the same short term memory issues that Mr Fisher suffers from,
One thing they have done is cultivate the support of all local media channels to spread their message. The local paper is a slave to their propaganda messages and on CWR it's impossible to criticise them.
Even football forums are infiltrated with people peddling the wasps agenda in preparation for the day the club is booted out. Just so we know whose really to blame.
Isn't that right?
Therefore logically the CCFC gates should be greater than 11k. The belief that most people care about the club is misplaced.
You try to offer an explanation but it's just another stretched out outburst of 'your opinion'.
Just lolling at that
- wasps the richest club in Europe
- mark my words the train station will be up and running by December
- wasps will tire of our litigation
- we are already past the point we can negotiate
- Land Rover are sponsoring the stadium
Blah blah blah
How could it have been made before they came? Wasps Holdings have the right to terminate the arrangement after two years. Why is the clause their if they didn't want it?
As of course was "we need to build bridges" "ACL is making a profit" "ACL is washing it's face"
All those assertions were bollocks weren't they? Who said them, in all this excitement I've forgotten.
Because the rental agreement was made before they came and they took it over. I am surprised that it has not been renegotiated since the takeover. That would be in both parties interest.
Would you be saying the same if we moved back to Northampton? Would you expect their fans to have the same attitude if we did?
Wasn't their a petition when they moved to Coventry? I work with a couple of ex-wasps fans who turned their backs on the club after they moved.
If that is your attitude to the situation, then you have no right to complain of we become a franchise ourselves then, especially if it offers to take us to the next level.
Maybe. However I think if push came to shove and there was a chance that the club were going to go under then we'd have a lot of support. I still don't think long term that Wasps will keep the crowds they are getting now.
And, once again, don't forget it's not just people in the City that support (or not) the club.
Of course I’d have a right to complain! I said Wasps shouldn’t have left London, but they did and it was the resulting mess that turned them into a franchise. CCFC fans would be united in uproar, unlike Wasps followers who were divided because of the nature of their club’s situation, and couldn’t muster more than a whimper. The Ricoh move is not the crime against humanity that it’s made out to be on here.
I not trying to be confrontational here – I do understand your view and would totally agree if Wasps fans had taken up arms. But it’s a cause without a rebel! Honestly - does the overall reaction of Wasps fans suggest that a club has been ripped from its traditional community leaving thousands in turmoil? That’s what happened with Wimbledon to MK, and CCFC to Northampton. There’s no hypocrisy in seeing a difference.
Was it? Do you have any evidence?
Was it? Do you have any evidence?
Only that we were told that CCFC came back on a 2 year contract with an option for a further 2 years. As that was with ACL, Wasps being the owners of ACL, would have to honour it. I have not heard to the contrary, but I was on the road a lot in the summer and may have missed something. Do you have evidence that Wasps have changed the contract? It certainly doesn't seem that Wasps imposed the right to terminate.
The agreement between CCFC and ACL was made before Wasps took over.
How could it have been made before they came? Wasps Holdings have the right to terminate the arrangement after two years. Why is the clause their if they didn't want it?
He's saying that the deal was signed before Wasps took over ACL. Which it was. So how could it be on Wasps insistence? You weren't present at the negotiations for the return as neither was I. It's just as likely one of our incompetents asked for a two year break (keeping up the premise of building a new) only not being smart enough to make sure that arrangement is in our favour. In fact wasn't it sold to us as being in our favour only for the Wasps bond prospective to confirm otherwise? I have visions of TF reading it in the CT then reading back over what he'd signed and going, SHIT!
Either way building a new ground or not we should have come back on a ten year deal the fact that we didn't was short sighted by our owners and a good indication of how long term they view the clubs usefulness to them. Never planning further forward than two years at a time.
Incredible when the going gets tough for Wasps people like you, Italia, Martcov all appear together.
Why is that do you think?
Incredible when the going gets tough for Wasps people like you, Italia, Martcov all appear together.
Why is that do you think?
No actual response to the obvious point I'm making then? Its funny how when the going gets tough for SISU you stop forming an argument (if most of the nonsense you come out with can actually be classed as an argument) and go straight for the distraction of an insult.
Why is that do you think?
No actual response to the obvious point I'm making then? Its funny how when the going gets tough for SISU you stop forming an argument (if most of the nonsense you come out with can actually be classed as an argument) and go straight for the distraction of an insult.
Why is that do you think?
You are not making a point but an assumption. No one knows why the club returned and who decided on the arrangement - It's actually stupid to suggest he club insisted on a severance clause in favour of the other party especially as the club stated they wanted a five year stay. So with respect its not an obvious point at all but a stupid one.
Still Italia liked your post so you are in good company
Somewhere along the way you have lost your hate of Sisu and transferred it to Wasps.
That's the thing though, isn't it? You're one of those who think things have to be mutually exclusive. I blame and hate all those who have been involved in our downfall be that SISU, CCC, ACL, Higgs or Wasps. They're all to blame and they've all fucked us over.
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JR1 and JR2 will not change the stadium ownership even if Sisu win.
exactly. I pointed out that the deal was done with ACL - before Wasps owned ACL. That is a fact and therefore Wasps did not impose the right to terminate. It was already agreed to by TF signing the rental agreement. That was neither pro or anti Wasps - just a statement of fact or rather a correction of Grendel. Facts are always useful in a discussion.
And maybe you should move on from mentioning "JR" or "court case" in every post. Whilst you're at it move on from telling us how marvellous Wasps are. I'm not interested in Wasps.
So you want to ignore the court cases ?
Turn a blind eye to one thing that is stopping any working relationship with Wasps?
Where do I keep praising Wasps, other than saying we should work with them ?
That's the thing though, isn't it? You're one of those who think things have to be mutually exclusive. I blame and hate all those who have been involved in our downfall be that SISU, CCC, ACL, Higgs or Wasps. They're all to blame and they've all fucked us over.
You are not making a point but an assumption. No one knows why the club returned and who decided on the arrangement - It's actually stupid to suggest he club insisted on a severance clause in favour of the other party especially as the club stated they wanted a five year stay. So with respect its not an obvious point at all but a stupid one.
Still Italia liked your post so you are in good company
Imagine CCFC at premier league level? A premier league football club vs a premier league rugby club? No comparison - like comparing an elephant to a mouse. Problem is the mouse holds the keys to the house.
Funny how you're choosy about what you want to "move on" from.
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