SkyBlue_Bear83
Well-Known Member
I thought you don't believe a word he is says, you seem to be doubting that now.
Why did he have to give a statement? How can be sure this statement wasn't the truth?
Well you weren't posting it to agree with Godiva's point of view that the club would have took the offer Wasps had was you? You were posting it to dispute his opinion that the club would have taken the same deal.
Well you are clearly using the quote to dispute the opinion that the club would have taken the deal, as you have done again in post 627I said -
"He could have said nothing.
The fact remains that on record Fisher has said SISU/CCFC wouldn't have agreed on the deal that Wasps were offered."
Please clarify where I'm using it as evidence.
"Very generally" and "albeit informally". Happens all the time... A what if? Situation. Doesn't mean that there were continuing talks from then on.
I thought you don't believe a word he is says, you seem to be doubting that now.
What are you on about? You do understand that those who tell mistruths do also sometimes tell the truth? That doesn't stop the fact I don't believe what he says, but if he makes a statement he is putting it into the public domain as the truth.
Well you are clearly using the quote to dispute the opinion that the club would have taken the deal, as you have done again in post 627
You're so obsessed with defending CCC, ACL and Wasps you have no idea what you are saying.
Wasn't that £24m just to buy the rights to matchday revenue streams?
It's very good of you to decide what I'm doing! Fisher said they wouldn't have taken the deal. I'm not disputing anything.
I'm fully aware of what I'm saying. Where have I defended CCC, ACL and Wasp?
I am 100% certain there has never been any plan to build a new stadium and SISU's endgame was to get ownership of the Ricoh. Maybe to flip as a package with the club, maybe to load with debt as Wasps have done. I'm also 100% certain they wanted the stadium as cheaply as possible.
I can easily see a scenario where they believed themselves to be the owner horse in the race and it was just a matter of waiting until CCC and Higgs backed down. The majority of people were not expecting the stadium to be handed over to a rugby club from London given all the statements made about our season in Northampton.
So on that basis I conclude that if they were aware of the offer from Wasps and that they would most likely be about to lose any chance of stadium ownership they would have matched Wasps offer to both the council and Higgs.
As it turned out they didn't get the opportunity to bid on the councils share but did match Wasps offer for Higgs share.
Where haven't you defended them would be a better question.It's very good of you to decide what I'm doing! Fisher said they wouldn't have taken the deal. I'm not disputing anything.
I'm fully aware of what I'm saying. Where have I defended CCC, ACL and Wasp?
Where haven't you defended them would be a better question.
Nice dodge!
I'll try again - where have I defended them?
City’s chief executive, Tim Fisher, insists they do not regret failing to buy the Ricoh, saying they could not agree to taking it on, as Wasps have done, not only for £5.4m but with the council’s £14m loan on the stadium still to pay.
I am sure I would have publically have said the same.
Should he have admitted they had been screwed? What kind of signal would that send to their investors?
Why do you think that they would have taken the deal if it had been offered?
Haven't posters on here pointed out that members of CCFC's board were showing a prospectus from Wasps some six months before the deal was done to fans in private meetings regarding the wasps (then proposed) takeover of ACL?
Which only draws one of two conclusions. You either believe they would have on a gut feeling as you've provided nothing factual to back it up. Or you don't believe it but you've got to maintain your mantra of everyone else is guilty, it's everyone else's fault.
In your previous 677 posts.
Example?
And how are the club going to make money?
Are they not currently having a cut of the profits on the day?
They get this without even investing in the infrastructure that provides it.
They should be working on the next deal. Hopefully they are.
In a new stadium you would need to finance and provide the facilities.
Is it better ? I don't know, but this is the sort of information we need to get from Sisu.
We pay rent and match day costs, this money will be used by ACL to invest in the infrastructure.Are they not currently having a cut of the profits on the day?
They get this without even investing in the infrastructure that provides it.
They should be working on the next deal. Hopefully they are.
In a new stadium you would need to finance and provide the facilities.
Is it better ? I don't know, but this is the sort of information we need to get from Sisu.
Dream scenario for the wasp fans on here.
That formula though, wouldn't that have had us paying quite a bit more than what Wasps paid for all of it to get 50%?
And when SISU took over, surely that formula was part of the overall deal they knowingly signed up to, along with the high rent.
To be fair unless we have owners prepared to trade at multi million pound losses or to put in millions of new funds the deal at the Ricoh or the new stadium is not going to make the difference to CCFC competing in the Championship. The gap in funding is simply to big
We pay rent and match day costs, this money will be used by ACL to invest in the infrastructure.
They may have done, but the fact remains the sale to Wasps has not altered what CCFC signed up to.
CCFC had agreed a 2+2, this hasn't changed. So if Wasps hadn't taken over CCFC would still be in the same position they are today.
Why should ACL have extended the olive branch? SISU had left them out of pocket due to the rent strike and then stropped off to Northampton.
Let slip? Why shouldn't ACL have been talking to other parties? The stadium was empty, what were ACL suppose to do? Twiddle their thumbs or begged to CCFC came back? SISU had moved them to Northampton for three years whilst a new stadium was being built don't forget!
It could be argued that all these parties had involved in the situation, but surely the fact our owners, as custodians of CCFC, have had any involvement is the biggest issue?
The details of the deal being kept 'secret' also has been used as further indication of this plot, but again the fact the details of the agreement SISU made for CCFC to return have never been disclosed seems to be ignored.
They'll never be as big as CCFC? Remind me again how big Sky Blues are again! Third division football and drawing in 11,000 fans from a city of 333,000 (edit) in somebody else's stadium.
It's possible the Rugby World Cup could increase their attendance.
Why should people have to watch Cov play?
Whilst this has been mentioned before, and dismissed by some, the sense of the big occasion and family atmosphere (*reply incoming where a mate's mate's neighbour's work colleague was roughed up during a Wasps game!*) is what people are enjoying with Wasps at the Ricoh which you wouldn't get at The Butts.
People are fickle, hence people's dismay/disgust at the sudden love-in many are having with Wasps, and so surely it would follow they'd want what's available at the Ricoh and not watching Cov?
The history of clubs means little to a lot of people.......and why Wasps have seemingly been accepted by some (not all!) people in and around Coventry.
Yep, just need to get the Cov Wasps involved now
Your posts aim to do one of three things, absolve all blame from other parties, big up Wasps or ignore/dismiss genuine concerns people have by Wasps being here.
The council didn't need to say ACL was making money, then breaking even and that they would "build bridges" but they did.
The fact remains on record that good old CCC said they'd consider selling to the club - when they'd already sold it.
So, you've not found any posts where I defended CCC, ACL or Wasp.
Yep just posted them, absolving of them of blame when they don't deserve to be absolved is defending them. Dismissing and deflecting peoples concerns over the Wasps move is defending them. Bigging up Wasps in response to people criticising them is defending them.
You have zero self awareness over what you are post
So why are people using his quotes as evidence then if he's such a big joke.
Yep I do understand how they work, funny seeing you get defensive now you've been exposed though.
Ccfc it looks like they have spent this years rent on black paint to replace the sky blue walls
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