If I’m honest, I do think we need more coaches like Lawrence who do everything right behind the scenes, and less coaches like Williams who do everything wrong. Instant success.
I never said Ales Williams ruined anyone.
I've said we've constantly had issues with our keepers and as goal keeping coach he has to take some responsibility.
The fact Moore is playing for a team chasing the autos proves that with the right coaching he's better than he showed 2nd season here.
I think it is clear, that Moore was experiencing off field problems, without the club stating what they were.
But people still like to bash the goalkeeping coach for that loss of confidence/form.
SM 100% had some pretty shitty off field stuff going on. Shame as he was excellent in first season.I think it is clear, that Moore was experiencing off field problems, without the club stating what they were.
But people still like to bash the goalkeeping coach for that loss of confidence/form.
It's not just one keeper though, it's every one.
I doubt there's another team in the league with a catalogue of goal keeping howlers like ours over the last few years.
Questions have to be asked of the goal keeping coach.
There are lots of questions to ask, not just about a coach or coaches.
Before Williams people blamed Oggy. I bet most have never seen either coach a single session.
Having heard Oggy on the radio he knows a lot about tactics etc and not just from a goalkeeping perspective. His knowledge is very good.
There is a difference between asking questions and people wading in with statements like they are fact.
Collectively the team have been poor at defending, even at the end of last season and this. Lots of people have to shoulder the blame. Even when Viveash and Lawrence was here we were making errors as a team defending. Viveash was a centre half so he knew how to defend. It's not all down to the goalkeeping coach.
We've got a keeper who is conceding more than the amount of goals he's expected to and is bottom of the league for that metric.
It may not all be down to the goalkeeping coach, (I mean, why does he keep getting picked?), but he definitely has a decent amount of responsibility.
Goals conceded aren't always down to the goalkeeper or the goalkeeping coach though.
But you are obviously like a dog with a bone so I will leave it there.
Come on, look at the goals we've been conceding.
Many of them have been very much down to the goal keeper.
I was one of the people defending Collins after the Cardiff game when I thought he took some unfair criticism, but his stats are dreadful and the evidence of what your watching is there for anyone viewing our games.
I don't disagree about his stats. Perhaps he is just a bad keeper? I have never seen anything positive in him and said from the outset he looked like an accident waiting to happen and he got away with a lot early on. But I suspect Viveash thought he had something?
Now you come on, Collins hasn't always always been in goal when we have been conceding goals. There has been consistent frailties in our defence collectively going back to the second half of last season. With the team turning up for big games and being shy in others.
If you can't see it hasn't always been the keepers fault (despite some howlers) or even a defenders fault, then I don't know what team you have been watching.
I do agree that we need better than Collins in goal and we need a better LB/LWB than JDS. Because they seem more culpable than most. Also they both seem the type of player that when they do make a mistake it seems to affect them and their confidence drains quicker than a bath without a plug.
But it's the howlers I'm on about.
Our keepers seem to go through these car crash periods with alarming regularity.
It's been happening for years.
Well Robins had the chance to get rid with his coaching shake up, so did King.
King also has a second chance when he got rid of Robins and a third chance when he brought in Lampard.
Where I stand is I know our keepers aren't very good and as I have never seen Williams coach it's a bit like comparing apples and pears.
For instance, I would not say Viveash was a bad coach having been given some of the best talent in the country, but none could establish themselves in the Chelsea first team. There is a whole host of reasons that happened. Also all sorts of reasons why some went elsewhere and made it and some came to Coventry and flopped. It's not all down to the coach.
But with the outfield players, yes, there have been failures, but there's been a lot of successes as well
When was the last keeper we had who notably improved?
Quite honestly Ben WilsonBut with the outfield players, yes, there have been failures, but there's been a lot of successes as well
When was the last keeper we had who notably improved?
Quite honestly Ben Wilson
It's not just the numbers, it's that the quality of the goals is so poor, often just farcical.Sorry but
4 against Pompey
1 against hull
2 against WBA
2 against Cardiff
2 against Sheffield United
2 against Sunderland
2 against Luton
2 against Burnley
2 against Derby
2 against Shef Wed
3 against Leeds
2 against Swansea
2 against Oxford
Ain't fucking nobody out here blaming that on Sheaf, Eccles and Torp
Come on that's your centre backs, your full backs and your keeper.
It's not just the numbers, it's that the quality of the goals is so poor, often just farcical.
It's rare I look at an opposition goal and think it was well worked or a great bit of individual skill. Callum Lang scores 4 and you get a pot shot, a wellied one on one gift wrapped by Dasilva, a free header and a tap in. He won't have an easier game in his life.I thought the 2 goals we conceded against Sunderland were both well worked but a large percentage of the others we've conceded have been very poor.
Sorry but
4 against Pompey
1 against hull
2 against WBA
2 against Cardiff
2 against Sheffield United
2 against Sunderland
2 against Luton
2 against Burnley
2 against Derby
2 against Shef Wed
3 against Leeds
2 against Swansea
2 against Oxford
Ain't fucking nobody out here blaming that on Sheaf, Eccles and Torp
Come on that's your centre backs, your full backs and your keeper.
We've had a succession of goalkeepers who are abject failures who have declined rather than improved.
by 'succession' you mean Moore and Collins (a grand total of two!), one of which we all know was knocked back by off the field stuff. Like SBT said, can we all try to stop windmilling when we're bored and frustrated. I don't think the coaches told Collins to go out and play like he'd been doing bong hits.
So, yeah, that's a succession.
Wilson barely had to make a save in the playoff season and there's data to show that. He was always at the level he showed last season. Dovin is a kid in a new country who had to miss a couple of games with a concussion. Don't edit history to suit your argument.
And you talk about editing history!
or I'm pointing out Wilson had protection in that season which masked how good a keeper he is / isn't. If Dovin doesn't get in ahead of Collins, I agree, something's up but it doesn't mean our coaches have ruined him in the few months he's been here.
That isn’t why he was dropped first time.Wilson barely had to make a save in the playoff season and there's data to show that. He was always at the level he showed last season. Dovin is a kid in a new country who had to miss a couple of games with a concussion. Don't edit history to suit your argument.
Wilson is a miles better keeper today than he was when he first joined. And I say that as someone who’s never rated him.Before going to shit the following season.
It's never maintained.
That isn’t why he was dropped first time.
It seems to me to have been a problem position for ages and just when we think we've cracked it it all goes wrong.
Signing a rookie from Sweden wasn't necessary but I suppose Doug again saw pound signs. Loads of wise old heads knocking around who aren't getting game time and know how to co-ordinate a defence too.But they just don't seem to have any record of improving keepers though.
It seems to me to have been a problem position for ages and just when we think we've cracked it it all goes wrong.
Get Petr Cech and John Terry in, teach three spinless wankers how to defend and not concede
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