ccfcway
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in the 3rd tier of English football, with a wage bill within the top 6 of the league easily. That's woeful !
Whichever way you want to paint it, however many anti-SISU cliches you want to derail the thread with, however many melodramatic suicidal rants you want to go on, we ARE (on the pitch, the green rectangle thing in the middle) a side that is 10pts better in this league than the points tally we have.
Ergo, we're currently a collection of top half players not quite good enough to get a play off place.
What planet are football club directors on? That's sometimes a half of what some people have to live on all week.
and you know this about the wage bill how?in the 3rd tier of English football, with a wage bill within the top 6 of the league easily. That's woeful !
Ecky, hadn't seen this WBA £56 a ticket at Man City. We all moan about the price of stuff, but this is really taking the Mick. What planet are football club directors on? That's sometimes a half of what some people have to live on all week. Mind boggling.
If we all had any sense we'd turn our backs on football, but we love our clubs.
and you know this about the wage bill how?
Bare in mind, a small number of players will still be on inflated wages from the Championship relegation.
I'm more intrigued as to how you are privvy to knowing where our wage budget sits amongst other clubs as well as what our players are earning bar rumours and hearsay.
I'm not being facetious by the way, I just don't know how anyone would know.
Whichever way you want to paint it, however many anti-SISU cliches you want to derail the thread with, however many melodramatic suicidal rants you want to go on, we ARE (on the pitch, the green rectangle thing in the middle) a side that is 10pts better in this league than the points tally we have.
Ergo, we're currently a collection of top half players not quite good enough to get a play off place.
Dont worry , i havent taken it as facetious.
1.5k is roughly the average wage in this league. you can google that, its on several sites.
On our books, we have our captain, Baker and we have Murphy, who both signed contracts when we were in the championship.
Not saying this is true, but the Mail reported that Baker and Murphy are on 8k a week each. That 16k for just those two is a whole team of 1.5k a week players !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...y-sell-Carl-Baker-Leon-Clarke-Joe-Murphy.html
We have got rid of many signed in the past couple of years as a mutal "leaving the club", which surely still sit in the wage bill for this season if we have paid them off ?
We have signed some of the youngsters on longer contracts, Thomas, Wilson etc
Despite the cuts, our wage bill for this division this year will still be a lot higher than average. Or do you think that Port Vale, Gillingham, Colchester, Carilisile etc will be competiting with us on wage bills this season ?
If you look at a league table that runs from 1st January, we're one place and one point outside the relegation zone - and that's with no points deduction.
That is true to an extent, but the worrying (if not totally surprising) thing is the way our form has collapsed.
If you look at a league table that runs from 1st January, we're one place and one point outside the relegation zone - and that's with no points deduction.
Luckily, the season doesn't start on January 1st. What an odd thing to say. If the season was only three games in length and the season started three games ago then we would have been relegated....
If you think that looking at our form over the most recent (almost) four month period is "odd", then fair enough.
I'd have thought that it was a fairly relevant indicator as to how things are currently going.
Oh, I totally agree. We've probably got 1.75 more points on average in the first half of the season than the second.
However, at the end of the season and looking at what pts we'd have with the deduction and where it would leave us in the league amongst the other clubs, its the closet and truest reflection we will have to seeing where we are as a squad.
We can't just forget the start of the season with the majority of the same squad didn't happen so we can argue despair me. In the same light, we can't neglect the horrific end to the season which is contributed to wherever we finish up.
I actually think teams got wise as to how we played, Pressley subtlety admits himself by conceding his favoured attacking and pressing tactics were struggling to get us results recently, hence the change.
Ignoring off the field matters, its a big summer for Pressley and the players. Some will come and some will go, its inevitable regardless of whats going on with the suits upstairs, such is the nature of League One football. More interestingly, I'm intrigued to see what approach he goes for tactically next season, which will no doubt be dependent on the make up of the squad in the Summer.
I do because the season is played over a nine month period. Anything taken in isolation can back up any argument you wish to make. Let's flip it and say that if the season ended on 31st December then we'd have had our best season in years.
Fair enough, I will make a note that you will only ever comment on anything relating to performances over a full season.
Yep, I said the same thing, we can call it an online mutual back slapping.It was a real shame when people genuinely thought we culd sneak a play off place despite the deduction, as it was obvious the squad size wouldn't be able to keep up the form for 46 league games. Young, inexperienced and lacking in 3 or 4 more 'bodies'.
We're a mid table side at the moment, nothing more, nothing less really.
I'd have probably taken where we currently are now, if you offered it to me in July 2013.
Thank you. I appreciate that but will continue to carry out spot checks to ensure you're sticking to it.
Pressleys winning mentality has bought us
P 61
W 22
D 17
L 22
You keep posting these stats after every match. Are you thinking he should go?
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Yep, I said the same thing, we can call it an online mutual back slapping.It was a real shame when people genuinely thought we culd sneak a play off place despite the deduction, as it was obvious the squad size wouldn't be able to keep up the form for 46 league games. Young, inexperienced and lacking in 3 or 4 more 'bodies'.
We're a mid table side at the moment, nothing more, nothing less really.
I'd have probably taken where we currently are now, if you offered it to me in July 2013.
not at all. how on earth can one man successfully operate within the conditions he has been given. Everyone keeps arguing about the league table, (with or without the 10 points). I think its wrth noting his record since he come to us.
Thats all.
Fair enough, just wondered. It's also worth remembering that he didn't have Clarke for the majority of the games he managed last season either.
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So are you saying that if he didn't strike it lucky (like Robins did with McGoldrick) with Clarke or Wilson then he isn't a very good manager?
take the league top scorer out of any team and they will struggle more than they did.
Look at Bradford without Wells.
We didnt just lose Clarke, Wilson was injured but even now he is back, he is badly missing playing alongside a striker like clarke.
I am not saying that Pressley is a crap manager because I do think he has promise but all this blowing smoke up his arse like he is some sort of genius manager is way off the mark.
A very good manager will get average players to over perform and will make them believe that they are that good. I will use Manchester United as an example (seeing as Stupot did last week). Alex Ferguson won the league easily last season with an average squad and two star strikers (who had injuries through the season) and David Moyes with almost the same squad (and 1 or 2 additions) has only managed what is likely to be 7th the following season.
I am not saying that Pressley is a crap manager because I do think he has promise but all this blowing smoke up his arse like he is some sort of genius manager is way off the mark.
Van Persie features in all 38 PL games last season scoring 26 goals under fergie. This season he's featured in just 18 scoring 11 under Moyes.
Rooney played 27 times last season scoring 12 under under fergie v this season 28 times scoring 15 under Moyes.
Also aging Rio, Vidic and Evra look passed it and fergie relied a lot on giggs and scholes last season too.
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I wondered what took you so long to come back with an answer. Fergie did not rely a lot on Scholes and Giggs as Scholes only played a total of 21 games in the season and Giggs 32 and that includes cups too. That is not relying on a lot now is it? You proved my point about very good managers getting the best out of an average squad by saying that Rio, Vidic and Evra all looked passed it but yet they still won the league with Fergie.
Which is nothing to do with having a fit and firing van persie playing a scoring all season last year? Whereas he's missed half of this season? So in away that proves my point.
Full season of the "key" striker Van Persie = win the league
Half a season of the "key" striker Van Persie = mediocrity.
That can be applied to us with and without Clarke.
And rio, vidic and Evra are all 1 year older than last season. And then you have to consider the fact that most of their rivals have significantly strengthened last January and the summer when fergie and Moyes failed to do so. It also says a lot about the under performance of some of their rivals last season.
Robbie savage was about right when he described the squad. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25665649
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