covcity4life
Well-Known Member
Did I say it was superb?
I said it was a good point and a good performance
I also pointed out negatives like Shipley and o hare finishing
Be level headed not hot headed
Did I say it was superb?CC4L and G were pretty pleased with the display for starters
I think a big frustration is that we can accept us starting games intending to frustrate the opposition and then open up and go for it but we could all see Derby's goal coming last night, players were getting knackered, the team was deeper and deeper and the ball kept coming back. We were crying out for another outlet up top and we made some like for like changes that did nothing to stop it.
As soon as we conceded we put the second forward on, took the initiative and got the goal, if we'd have made that change on the hour we could have won.
Ten things I personally got from the game and the ‘robust’ debate on here afterwards. The latter was probably more interesting…
Oh, and if we don’t at least double our money on Hamer, cometh the time…
- Robbins’ caution canbe bloody minded stubbornness. He's been vindicated before but last night it at its worst – Shipley and substitutions
- Shipley: He's always liked him but does anyone think Shipley cuts the mustard at this level? And why didn’t he take him off a lot earlier?
- The trick at Norwich was playing the substitutions – all five. Paul Merson on Sky on Saturday said it made all the difference. Why did he not repeat the trick – I assume because his best players were already on the pitch.
- Fans: ‘It is going to be a struggle this season’ and also fans: ‘Why are we not winning easily away from home?’ Hey ho.
- Expect the game against Rotherham to be tight and won by the odd goal at best. The sides are very evenly matched; they were last year [in the second game at least]
- What has made the difference to our defence, the return of Kelly or the change in formation? Or both? Who the **** knows? Sam M took a pasting last night in a 4 man defence, it's probably the return of Kelly leaves the defenders less exposed.
- Yesterday we missed one thing in particular going forward, and it wasn’t a second striker – we missed the three man central midfield – in particular Sheaf doing fetching and carrying.
- I’m rubbish at working out who'll make it at the higher level. McFadzean, Kelly and Hyam all look good enough, particularly Hyam
- Robbins either really likes Jobello or just wants to establish whether he is any good or not. He was an unusual substitution last night.
- Kelly and Hyam, both brought in for nowt when the club was really in the poo, must be two of the best signings ever. And ideal ones – good for the team, but no so good that better financed clubs may come sniffing.
And can O’Hara learn to head a ball please.
Dabo and McCallum aren’t FBs, Shipley isn’t a winger and Giles isn’t a RW, Walker isn’t a target man and the CBs aren’t at their best in a two. It’s just bodies behind the ball and it wasn’t 4231 it was 45——-1
I agree, it’s clearly a 4-5-1. Kelly very clearly plays behind Shipley and Hamer last night and Sheaf & Hamer v Norwich.
Giles has been a winger and midfielder most of his career. Wolves want him played as a WB since that is the system that played (until recently).
The CBs look comfortable, a bit bizarre to say they aren’t. Again, Dabo and McCallum have played mostly as fullbacks. The roles of modern fullback and WB are similar.
We’re playing in a more pragmatic way and we’re not going to stay up conceding 2-3 goals a game, whether or not we play better using more familiar systems.
Derby might be that madhouse team that gets relegated this season because they’re a mess (for whatever reasons). But, their squad should not be at the bottom of the table. I wanted a win, but a draw was a decent result.
Not a lot but these days you are offside if your hand or toe is in an offside position it looks and I’ve only seen one replay Walker was just not quiet in line. But let’s take a positive from it he took his chance superbly, this kid can and will score given the service.Can't look through the whole thread ,must have been talked about, but what was wrong with walker's goal ? I've looked at it several times and can't see what's wrong ?
I agree, it’s clearly a 4-5-1. Kelly very clearly plays behind Shipley and Hamer last night and Sheaf & Hamer v Norwich.
Giles has been a winger and midfielder most of his career. Wolves want him played as a WB since that is the system that played (until recently).
The CBs look comfortable, a bit bizarre to say they aren’t. Again, Dabo and McCallum have played mostly as fullbacks. The roles of modern fullback and WB are similar.
We’re playing in a more pragmatic way and we’re not going to stay up conceding 2-3 goals a game, whether or not we play better using more familiar systems.
Derby might be that madhouse team that gets relegated this season because they’re a mess (for whatever reasons). But, their squad should not be at the bottom of the table. I wanted a win, but a draw was a decent result.
The entire point is we weren’t conceding 2-3 goals a game because of the system and we haven’t stopped because of the new one. We were playing teams who were flying, now we are playing teams who are struggling. We need to pick up points in these games. A lucky last minute draw against a team that can’t buy a win is in no way a decent result. Given how they played on the day the lucky last minute draw against Norwich wasn’t a decent result either. Nor was the 0-0 vs Brum. All those games were there for the taking and we didn’t even try.
If we aren’t good enough as you and others seem to think then we will go down anyway, we may as well try and attract as many fans and get the most out of our saleable assets while we do.
It was clear as day to most we didn’t have a midfielder who could come collect and keep us ticking over he was sat on the bench smiling - Ben SheafRobins said himself he can't understand why they kept hoofing it forward, we didn't play our game...
Well you must have been watching the wrong game then thinking he was 'well offside'Walkers header looked well offaide to me
Red button so no replay
Looked level to me I don’t think he even watched the game he Sakd the football we played was easy on the eyeWell you must have been watching the wrong game then thinking he was 'well offside'
Walkers header looked well offaide to me
Red button so no replay
Was clearly onside and we got robbed once again by shit officialsLooked level to me I don’t think he even watched the game he Sakd the football we played was easy on the eyeeven robins didn’t get why we kept going long
If we have to draw lines to determine if a player is offside then he’s not offside it’s pathetic the linesman clearly guessed his decisionWas clearly onside and we got robbed once again by shit officials
The entire point is we weren’t conceding 2-3 goals a game because of the system and we haven’t stopped because of the new one. We were playing teams who were flying, now we are playing teams who are struggling. We need to pick up points in these games. A lucky last minute draw against a team that can’t buy a win is in no way a decent result. Given how they played on the day the lucky last minute draw against Norwich wasn’t a decent result either. Nor was the 0-0 vs Brum. All those games were there for the taking and we didn’t even try.
If we aren’t good enough as you and others seem to think then we will go down anyway, we may as well try and attract as many fans and get the most out of our saleable assets while we do.
The entire point is we weren’t conceding 2-3 goals a game because of the system and we haven’t stopped because of the new one. We were playing teams who were flying, now we are playing teams who are struggling. We need to pick up points in these games. A lucky last minute draw against a team that can’t buy a win is in no way a decent result. Given how they played on the day the lucky last minute draw against Norwich wasn’t a decent result either. Nor was the 0-0 vs Brum. All those games were there for the taking and we didn’t even try.
If we aren’t good enough as you and others seem to think then we will go down anyway, we may as well try and attract as many fans and get the most out of our saleable assets while we do.
I think it’s hard to judge the formation as both our wide men are very different. Giles will hug the touch line on the right or left and plays as a winger as if in a 4-5-1. Shipley and O’Hare when playing out wide tuck in and play as attacking midfielders like a 4-2-3-1. Im struggling to tell which is Robins intention or whether he is happy for each player to play to their natural game.
Your not the only one struggling to tell what his intentions areI think it’s hard to judge the formation as both our wide men are very different. Giles will hug the touch line on the right or left and plays as a winger as if in a 4-5-1. Shipley and O’Hare when playing out wide tuck in and play as attacking midfielders like a 4-2-3-1. Im struggling to tell which is Robins intention or whether he is happy for each player to play to their natural game.
I think a big frustration is that we can accept us starting games intending to frustrate the opposition and then open up and go for it but we could all see Derby's goal coming last night, players were getting knackered, the team was deeper and deeper and the ball kept coming back. We were crying out for another outlet up top and we made some like for like changes that did nothing to stop it.
As soon as we conceded we put the second forward on, took the initiative and got the goal, if we'd have made that change on the hour we could have won.
The thing is, we didn't though.
We put Biamou on and took Walker off.
Then bizarrely he brought Ostigaard on with five minutes left.
Even more bizarrely he brought Bakayoko on with One minute left.
It was absolutely shocking management. Your point about changes earlier is right though. I think everyone was saying it for a good fifteen minutes. I wasn't shocked when they scored at all.
Ostigard crossed the ball in for the equaliser and is our main threat set-pieces.
But, of course you’re right, this is shocking management.
Osti is our main threat fro set pieces tho and he’s been sat on the benchAre you being serious?
The management yesterday was absolutely shocking. To most people, they don't see the brilliant strike from Hamer as a reason to gloss over what was a shocking performance and a ridiculous level of tactical decisions.
I know the pubs open today but you aren't supposed to drink unless you have a substantial meal. Take it easy.
I do think we’re good enough to survive.
We were conceding soft goals despite the quality of opposition. Objectively speaking, we’ve tightened things up defensively and this is a priority if we’re to survive. Even if it is a stopgap.
Derby have sacked their manager, and have some good players. If I was a betting man (which I’m not), I’d bet they’ll stay up. They’re the home team and our away form is the worst in the league going into this fixture.
The expectation we’d rock up to Pride Park and turn them over is naive, in my view. All in all, we weren’t so bad in the first half and as an article pointed out, we were a fraction of being 2-0 up going into the half.
Osti is our main threat fro set pieces tho and he’s been sat on the bench
We played the 3-5-2 against a poor forest side, a depleted Reading side who were in false position anyway and Watford who’s recent form has been very mixed. Not sure if I’m missing any but we conceded 7 goals in those 3 and picked up 3 points.
Haha false position/they had injuries/last minute goal
Last minute draw against bottom of the table: good performance/tough place to go/criticising makes you clueless
Did we have a fully fit Kelly or Dabo for any of those games? Both incredibly important to our 3 at the back system.We played the 3-5-2 against a poor forest side, a depleted Reading side who were in false position anyway and Watford who’s recent form has been very mixed. Not sure if I’m missing any but we conceded 7 goals in those 3 and picked up 3 points.
Did we have a fully fit Kelly or Dabo for any of those games? Both incredibly important to our 3 at the back system.
Just answer the following. With which system did we make the best team in the division look very average not so long ago? And which system last night did we play in which we made the worst team look ok?We can argue that for any game. Could say Godden was missing and walker was struggling last night and they’re our only strikers capable of playing up front on their own. Facts are, we are yet to lose after the international break and system change.
Just answer the following. With which system did we make the best team in the division look very average not so long ago? And which system last night did we play in which we made the worst team look ok?
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