Derby points deduction (5 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Problem with that method is all it has done has maintained the status Quo, Bayern Munich and occasionally Dortmund are going to win that league.

RB Leipzig have been decent but that’s only because Red Bull have fudged the membership criteria

Wouldn’t have had SISU’s nonsense with their rules.

 

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Wouldn’t have had SISU’s nonsense with their rules.

Not necessarily, like i said Red Bull have made a system where they price out normal fans, it’s all their mates in the 51%

could see SISU doing the same

 

[Danceswithhorses]

'It's the final countdown'...should be Derby's new song to run out to at Mel's stadium

 

[Grendel]

I don’t really get the obsession with the German model it’s no better in reality than here

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I don’t really get the obsession with the German model it’s no better in reality than here

If anything it promotes keeping the same teams At the top.

no rich individual are going to spend all their money knowing they’re the minority owner

there are exceptions (hoffenheim) but rarely do you not see Bayern at the top

 

[Grendel]

If anything it promotes keeping the same teams At the top.

no rich individual are going to spend all their money knowing they’re the minority owner

there are exceptions (hoffenheim) but rarely do you not see Bayern at the top

It’s also no better financially - a third of top clubs are trading in an insolvent situation

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If anything it promotes keeping the same teams At the top.

no rich individual are going to spend all their money knowing they’re the minority owner

there are exceptions (hoffenheim) but rarely do you not see Bayern at the top

The Germans have tried to keep the game at least vaguely attached to its roots instead of whoring out to the highest bidder and going ‘whoops’ when a club gets itself into trouble.

At least ticket prices there remain affordable for the average person

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

If anything it promotes keeping the same teams At the top.

no rich individual are going to spend all their money knowing they’re the minority owner

there are exceptions (hoffenheim) but rarely do you not see Bayern at the top

They all just bend the rules the same as clubs here, season ticket prices are well below ours, how can they afford to be paying £100k a week to players?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Derby have now rejected four bids from Millwall for Sibley, the latest being 450k. He burst onto the scene two years ago but on the bench this season despite their woes

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Derby have now rejected four bids from Millwall for Sibley, the latest being 450k. He burst onto the scene two years ago but on the bench this season despite their woes

He can do much better than them anyway

 

[Liquid Gold]

The German model is great from a fan perspective. Having that involvement on board level means they get cheap tickets, standing areas, beer in the stands, cheap travel etc. etc. etc.

Apart from that though their game is no more healthy than ours.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The German model is great from a fan perspective. Having that involvement on board level means they get cheap tickets, standing areas, beer in the stands, cheap travel etc. etc. etc.

Apart from that though their game is no more healthy than ours.

The problem is the obscene TV money here in combination with a few of the mega tycoon bankrolled clubs driving up wages to levels that can’t really be matched in leagues or clubs without either.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The Germans have tried to keep the game at least vaguely attached to its roots instead of whoring out to the highest bidder and going ‘whoops’ when a club gets itself into trouble.

At least ticket prices there remain affordable for the average person

Yeah but unless you’ve got an unlimited funded sponsor like Allianz you have a ceiling.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

He can do much better than them anyway

Don’t know about that or you’d expect bigger clubs to be in for him given the fee

 

[Frostie]

Don’t know about that or you’d expect bigger clubs to be in for him given the fee

Strange isn't it. Can fully understand them wanting the best possible value for him but on the other hand they let a key player in Shinnie go for £30k.
Sibley probably won't be on as much money but signed a new contract last season & Shinnie wasn't exactly a big earner either.

*EDIT
Scratch that last point, seems Shinnie was on £10k per week.
Even then it only saved them £280k ish, chicken feed really.

 

[CDK]

Boro and Wycombes issues just waiting for the ownership issue to be sorted before starting compensation cases ,quite rightly in my view would put off wannabee owners and serves them right ,club's shouldnt be run this way and deserve punishment.

 

[Sick Boy]

My fav part of the statement is 11. Does the EFL have a vendetta against Derby County?

The fact Derby fans seam to think they are being treated worse then anyone ever before is laughable

A sizeable proportion on here have alluded to there being agendas against us in the past.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Yeah but unless you’ve got an unlimited funded sponsor like Allianz you have a ceiling.

Thats my employer! Wouldnt say unlimited funds....extremely risk averse. Reputation and brand is everything.

 

[MusicDating]

I see that Pride Park is owned by another of Morris's companies that isn't in admin. So anyone buying them would be broadly getting the same as buying us; the name, golden share and players.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Thats my employer! Wouldnt say unlimited funds....extremely risk averse. Reputation and brand is everything.

Unlimited was a bit exaggerated haha! Isn’t their deal with Bayern the biggest commercial deal in the world?

The brand of Bayern is certainly a good partner

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah but unless you’ve got an unlimited funded sponsor like Allianz you have a ceiling.

The top flight itself isn’t really a closed shop of the same teams going up and down which for me adds to the interest. In the second tier you’ve got a who’s who of big clubs as well.

You don’t get anywhere in the English game without a tycoon either

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The top flight itself isn’t really a closed shop of the same teams going up and down which for me adds to the interest. In the second tier you’ve got a who’s who of big clubs as well.

You don’t get anywhere in the English game without a tycoon either

Correct by the German league is more like a glamorous Scottish league. Outside of Bayern and Dortmund the next lot of teams aren’t great,

financially Hamburg and Werder Bremen are struggling. As someone said - isn’t as great as it’s cracked up to be

what frightens me about CCFC and any potential 50+1 rule is that it would end up with the Trust being on board.

 

[SkyblueDad]

I see that Pride Park is owned by another of Morris's companies that isn't in admin. So anyone buying them would be broadly getting the same as buying us; the name, golden share and players.

I think things like this is what is screwing up the admin process. Looks like Morris has dumped the club and it’s football related debts which he helped create but hanging on to Pride Park for example which could and would be profitable.

 

[win9nut]

The German model is great from a fan perspective. Having that involvement on board level means they get cheap tickets, standing areas, beer in the stands, cheap travel etc. etc. etc.

Apart from that though their game is no more healthy than ours.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Unlimited was a bit exaggerated haha! Isn’t their deal with Bayern the biggest commercial deal in the world?

The brand of Bayern is certainly a good partner

No idea...i think the formula 1 was a few years back...

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Unlimited was a bit exaggerated haha! Isn’t their deal with Bayern the biggest commercial deal in the world?

The brand of Bayern is certainly a good partner

Saracens certainly wasnt a good reputational partner...we pulled plug on that one after many years.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

I see that Pride Park is owned by another of Morris's companies that isn't in admin. So anyone buying them would be broadly getting the same as buying us; the name, golden share and players.

I'm sure i read somewhere that Mel Morris might be willing to sell Pride park back to the club for approx £20m, but that just makes a mockery of the £81.1m he bought it for...an amount clearly just enough (or so he thought) to dodge the financial mess he got them in to.
The more generous the sale price is, obviously, the easier it will be for the administrator to sell the club (but that costs MM a bundle)
It also appears that the administrator may be able to force the sale of Pride Park for a 'fair price', as it is an asset linked to the administration, however that would take some time...a commodity they do not possess currently.

Fun times for all Derby fans
And schadenfreude for me for having to listen to the 'you've been living beyond your means for years, so you've got no one to blame except yourself', as we lost our stadium, tumbled down the divisions, went into admin, and even moved away from our home city (twice)

 

[Speedies_Chips]

The German model is great from a fan perspective. Having that involvement on board level means they get cheap tickets, standing areas, beer in the stands, cheap travel etc. etc. etc.

Apart from that though their game is no more healthy than ours.

Heidi Klum - now there's a German model!

 

[Nick]

If they are getting rid of loads of players and are under embargo.

Will they just call games on now based on COVID or will they be getting penalties if they can't fulfill fixtures?

 

[skyblue025]

Correct by the German league is more like a glamorous Scottish league. Outside of Bayern and Dortmund the next lot of teams aren’t great,

financially Hamburg and Werder Bremen are struggling. As someone said - isn’t as great as it’s cracked up to be

what frightens me about CCFC and any potential 50+1 rule is that it would end up with the Trust being on board.

Hamburg and W Bremen are both in the German 2nd tier. Hamburg have been there 4 or 5 years.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don't actually have a problem with that but there should be some regulations that enforce owners to be personally responsible for the full wages of any players bought in during their tenure if the club goes under during their ownership.

In this case then you can go nuts and back the club to the top if you're Coates but if you fuck things up like Morris then you have to pay the price over the fans.

It's one of the things about businesses as separate legal entities that creates problems. Gives individuals all the rewards but not suffer any of the consequences. Do you think we'd see the kind of risky behaviour we've seen not just in things like football but in the financial markets if individuals were personally responsible financially for what they were doing?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Best thing that could happen is a squad cap at all age groups above a certain age. Stops clubs becoming loan farms and allows talent to come down the pyramid.

Would also result in lower transfer fees at this level as PL clubs would have to release a player before signing a new one if they couldn’t find a buyer and could possibly suppress wages.

This is preferred route compared to a cap on spending/wages. But I wouldn't add in a caveat of over a certain age. You can have a set amount of players on deals and that's it. New players cannot be added until one of the old squad has either been sold or had their contract annulled.

Gets talent filtering down through the leagues, improving the overall standard and could bring costs back to something respectable. Could help the national team as players are being forced to make their way in the lower leagues rather than sitting on a cushy deal playing in U23 until they're in their mid-20's.

Issue is what would that squad size be? Probably 50-60 to include allowing development of those just graduated from the academy.

 

[Liquid Gold]

This is preferred route compared to a cap on spending/wages. But I wouldn't add in a caveat of over a certain age. You can have a set amount of players on deals and that's it. New players cannot be added until one of the old squad has either been sold or had their contract annulled.

Gets talent filtering down through the leagues, improving the overall standard and could bring costs back to something respectable. Could help the national team as players are being forced to make their way in the lower leagues rather than sitting on a cushy deal playing in U23 until they're in their mid-20's.

Issue is what would that squad size be? Probably 50-60 to include allowing development of those just graduated from the academy.

By age group I'm talking about stuff like under12s under14s.

Clubs should be able to try and develop as many as they can but then only have a certain number on a pro contract.

 

[Frostie]

 

[Saddlebrains]

They wont go tits.

Too big a club.

Will be interesting if they did though. Can see the whole house of cards falling then.