Devils advocate (2 Viewers)

Para1140 · Nov 9, 2024

Playing devils advocate here but instead of looking at MR for the run of poor results.
King purchased the club in Jan 2023 and took full control in February.
Since February and the mass of changes to playing staff and the backroom results have gone down hill to where we are now.

is King the problem rather than Robins after all King hadn't even been to a football match before ?

A Stratford-upon-Avon-based businessman, King agreed to a purchase of Coventry in November and the deal was signed off by the EFL on 10th January, making the club debt-free in the process.

“I am honoured and excited to be taking this club forward into its next chapter,” King said.

“To get this deal ratified in just over six weeks and over the Christmas period was a great effort from all involved.

“Already I have been struck by the enthusiasm of Sky Blues fans, with many personally wishing me well and I thank them for those sentiments.

“I am looking forward to the future of this great club and what we can achieve together.”

skybluegod · Nov 9, 2024

Did we need another thread for this, along with the 5 others saying King got it wrong?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 9, 2024

Of course King is the problem, is it playing devils advocate if you are saying what everyone is saying?

skybluelad · Nov 9, 2024

King systematically dismantled Robin's support network.

He wanted a winning formula and got it from a text book.

What he's unforgivably missed, is the management team and the connection with the fans, built on highs and lows over many years, is what made this club special.

That was the winning formula. He just needed to let them do their thing and support on transfers. But no, the egotistical maniac has ripped the core out of this club.

I am seething.

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skyblueexile · Nov 9, 2024

I dont agree with the decision.to remove Robbins
BUT
I do trust King - lets give him the benefit that he has been proven right upto now and supported us what ever he has had thrown at him.

Lets support the team I have a feeling once it all sorts out CCFC will come out the winners

I TRUST KING

djr8369 · Nov 9, 2024

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Of course King is the problem, is it playing devils advocate if you are saying what everyone is saying?

One small silver lining of the situation is it’s been great entertainment for the forum.

Jamesimus · Nov 9, 2024

skyblueexile said:
I dont agree with the decision.to remove Robbins
BUT
I do trust King - lets give him the benefit that he has been proven right upto now and supported us what ever he has had thrown at him.

Lets support the team I have a feeling once it all sorts out CCFC will come out the winners

I TRUST KING

That’s pretty full on; eggs all in one basket!

I haven’t fully trusted him from the start; people rightly questioned it on here because I had no reason to *not* trust him. Pretty sure Saddle took a fair amount of flak for it. But also, I couldn’t see anything from the start to suggest we should fully trust him.

Either of us could still be wrong, regardless of his recent decisions and changes at the club so I’ll remain on the fence there.

SKYBLUES90 · Nov 9, 2024

15 years of SISU in charge has honestly sent this fanbase loopy.

jim20 · Nov 9, 2024

100% agree, King should’ve never interfered with the playing side of the club. Along with all of the other stuff a football manager does, Robins connected with the fans and this has helped rebuild it from the lows of league 2 to where it is today with record season ticket sales. King has massively underestimated the fact Mark Robins was a central figure in the club.
King also doesn’t understand the connection fans have with a club, we aren’t just normal customers, and a lot of us have been reconnected or connected to the club thanks to Robins. I definitely spend more money now with the club in the Robins era then I did during the 15 or so years of decline.

If King had have any sense, if he wanted to remove Robins as manager, he would have bought in a head coach to sit under him, then moved him into maybe some sort of ambassadorial role over time, not an instant dismissal like this

jim20 · Nov 9, 2024

Also to add, why sack him after the 2 wins, yes we lost to Derby but we had improved and just one two on the bounce with a good comeback in one of them. In the statement it talked about performance over a period of time, why not do it after the 5 or so games without a win, the fans may not have been happy still but it would’ve been more understandable. I personally felt before the Luton and Boro games he was at risk, but after those two wins I thought he had begun to turn it around and he had bought a lot more time. It was very odd timing

djr8369 · Nov 9, 2024

jim20 said:
Also to add, why sack him after the 2 wins, yes we lost to Derby but we had improved and just one two on the bounce with a good comeback in one of them. In the statement it talked about performance over a period of time, why not do it after the 5 or so games without a win, the fans may not have been happy still but it would’ve been more understandable. I personally felt before the Luton and Boro games he was at risk, but after those two wins I thought he had begun to turn it around and he had bought a lot more time. It was very odd timing

It was a pretty limp performance against Derby though.

jim20 · Nov 9, 2024

djr8369 said:
It was a pretty limp performance against Derby though.

I agree, and if hadn’t have come off the back of two wins I would’ve got it, but if he had come to Sunderland today and got a draw a win, we would’ve looked at that as a good set of results over the 4 games.
I just think he had more cause to get rid of Robins before those two wins, and he chose not to.

Briles · Nov 9, 2024

Even though the dust has settled with me somewhat after last week, I still don't get King's thinking or reasoning. I'm hoping the forum on Monday will answer that

ccfc922 · Nov 9, 2024

djr8369 said:
One small silver lining of the situation is it’s been great entertainment for the forum.

@Nick With the ad revenue

Bugsy · Nov 9, 2024

jim20 said:
Also to add, why sack him after the 2 wins, yes we lost to Derby but we had improved and just one two on the bounce with a good comeback in one of them. In the statement it talked about performance over a period of time, why not do it after the 5 or so games without a win, the fans may not have been happy still but it would’ve been more understandable. I personally felt before the Luton and Boro games he was at risk, but after those two wins I thought he had begun to turn it around and he had bought a lot more time. It was very odd timing

Thinking alittle about the lead up to the situation, it's funny how it fell with the last 2 games Robins managed to win was against the 2teams we played in the playoffs. Life is funny isn't it.

clint van damme · Nov 9, 2024

Para1140 said:
Playing devils advocate here but instead of looking at MR for the run of poor results.
King purchased the club in Jan 2023 and took full control in February.
Since February and the mass of changes to playing staff and the backroom results have gone down hill to where we are now.

is King the problem rather than Robins after all King hadn't even been to a football match before ?

A Stratford-upon-Avon-based businessman, King agreed to a purchase of Coventry in November and the deal was signed off by the EFL on 10th January, making the club debt-free in the process.

“I am honoured and excited to be taking this club forward into its next chapter,” King said.

“To get this deal ratified in just over six weeks and over the Christmas period was a great effort from all involved.

“Already I have been struck by the enthusiasm of Sky Blues fans, with many personally wishing me well and I thank them for those sentiments.

“I am looking forward to the future of this great club and what we can achieve together.”

King has been a massive upgrade on sisu, apart from his meddling in the playing side, disasterous

rob9872 · Nov 9, 2024

All he had to do was stay in his lane.

King's a businessman. The commercial side of the club was dire as was the infrastructure. He's sorted that out and done great things, as you'd expect, it's his area of expertise. Businessman looks after the business, great. Leave the football side of things to the football people, that's their area of expertise.

eyesee · Nov 9, 2024

djr8369 said:
It was a pretty limp performance against Derby though.

i was a big supporter of robins, but we were absolutely appalling against derby.

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2024

King has got all the football related decisions wrong. In chronological order:

Should have renewed Hamers contract.
Should have spent a small amount of the Vik money on players (£10m or so)
Should have retained Fadz
Should have retained Lawrence
Should have retained Adi
If he couldn’t do the above should have replaced like for like in terms of personality and experience.
Appointed someone over Robins with zero real world football experience.
Vetoed important experienced signings and loans
Sacked Robins

He’s not meddled once with positive results. And that’s not including him repeatedly getting us ripped off in the transfer market.

covcity4life · Nov 9, 2024

shmmeee said:
King has got all the football related decisions wrong. In chronological order:

Should have renewed Hamers contract.
Should have spent a small amount of the Vik money on players (£10m or so)
Should have retained Fadz
Should have retained Lawrence
Should have retained Adi
If he couldn’t do the above should have replaced like for like in terms of personality and experience.
Appointed someone over Robins with zero real world football experience.
Vetoed important experienced signings and loans
Sacked Robins

He’s not meddled once with positive results. And that’s not including him repeatedly getting us ripped off in the transfer market.

Wright and Simms and the wolves game is nothing to do with king? He bought them both for decent money?

Seriously nothing positive?!

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2024

covcity4life said:
Wright and Simms and the wolves game is nothing to do with king? He bought them both for decent money?

Seriously nothing positive?!

Wrights goal return is decent, it should be as our record signing, I don’t think Simms is worth the money.

covcity4life · Nov 9, 2024

shmmeee said:
Wrights goal return is decent, it should be as our record signing, I don’t think Simms is worth the money.

Ok so wright is a positive of king at least

shmmeee · Nov 9, 2024

covcity4life said:
Ok so wright is a positive of king at least

If he was someone he pushed through, sure. But I wouldn’t have spent £8m on a striker. And when you balance it against the £15m on L1 players it doesn’t look so great.

covcity4life · Nov 9, 2024

shmmeee said:
If he was someone he pushed through, sure. But I wouldn’t have spent £8m on a striker. And when you balance it against the £15m on L1 players it doesn’t look so great.

Are they league 1 players though? Just got a point away to top of league. Clearly championship calibre

skybluecam · Nov 9, 2024

shmmeee said:
King has got all the football related decisions wrong. In chronological order:

Should have renewed Hamers contract.
Should have spent a small amount of the Vik money on players (£10m or so)
Should have retained Fadz
Should have retained Lawrence
Should have retained Adi
If he couldn’t do the above should have replaced like for like in terms of personality and experience.
Appointed someone over Robins with zero real world football experience.
Vetoed important experienced signings and loans
Sacked Robins

He’s not meddled once with positive results. And that’s not including him repeatedly getting us ripped off in the transfer market.

Can you imagine the outrage if we pocketed £20m for Vik and only spent 10 on players? Greedy Doug etc etc

Why retain Fadz when he couldn’t buy a start in a back 4?

From what’s been said about Adi he hardly had much choice

You have a bias against Doug for some reason and it’s showing

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 9, 2024

skybluelad said:
King systematically dismantled Robin's support network.

He wanted a winning formula and got it from a text book.

What he's unforgivably missed, is the management team and the connection with the fans, built on highs and lows over many years, is what made this club special.

That was the winning formula. He just needed to let them do their thing and support on transfers. But no, the egotistical maniac has ripped the core out of this club.

I am seething.

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King is also unburdened by sentimentality which may prove to be good thing in the end. As loyal supporters, it’s a possibility our loyalty to a living legend blinded us

I don’t think it’s egomaniacal to look at our recent form, particularly at home and be completely sure Robins was going to turn it around.

Personally, I’d have given Robins the January window to sort out the team and wouldn’t have swung the axe unless we were genuinely in a relegation battle.

The decision was ruthless and its make or break for King’s ownership. Today’s atmosphere turned on him massively and he needs to prove to the fans that the decision to sack Robins is the right one.

ms639 · Nov 9, 2024

1 million per cent he’s to blame. Tinkered with on field shot, the only thing that needed to be left alone. Bloke is a clown.

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skybluelad · Nov 9, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
King is also unburdened by sentimentality which may prove to be good thing in the end. As loyal supporters, it’s a possibility our loyalty to a living legend blinded us

I don’t think it’s egomaniacal to look at our recent form, particularly at home and be completely sure Robins was going to turn it around.

Personally, I’d have given Robins the January window to sort out the team and wouldn’t have swung the axe unless we were genuinely in a relegation battle.

The decision was ruthless and its make or break for King’s ownership. Today’s atmosphere turned on him massively and he needs to prove to the fans that the decision to sack Robins is the right one.

I understand your point, given where the club is right now. But my point was we shouldn't have been in this position in the first place because he shouldn't have interfered in the football side of things.

Hence the ego comment, 'my club my rules'.

Let's be clear, this is the house that Robins built.

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clint van damme · Nov 10, 2024

shmmeee said:
King has got all the football related decisions wrong. In chronological order:

Should have renewed Hamers contract.
Should have spent a small amount of the Vik money on players (£10m or so)
Should have retained Fadz
Should have retained Lawrence
Should have retained Adi
If he couldn’t do the above should have replaced like for like in terms of personality and experience.
Appointed someone over Robins with zero real world football experience.
Vetoed important experienced signings and loans
Sacked Robins

He’s not meddled once with positive results. And that’s not including him repeatedly getting us ripped off in the transfer market.

You missed should have retained some of the vik transfer money to pay for having the tongues of some of the fanboys on here removed from his anus.

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