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Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

It is odd to say the least that there is currently so much happiness on this forum with regards to the JR. It seems that some believe that a victory for CCC is also a victory for the fans. Is someone able to explain why this is the case? Why does a SISU defeat suddenly increase their chances of selling onto someone else?

We are no better off that before, yet there is open celebration. We are just another step towards the club not existing and some are happy?

chickentikkamasala · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
It is odd to say the least that there is currently so much happiness on this forum with regards to the JR. It seems that some believe that a victory for CCC is also a victory for the fans. Is someone able to explain why this is the case? Why does a SISU defeat suddenly increase their chances of selling onto someone else?

We are no better off that before, yet there is open celebration. We are just another step towards the club not existing and some are happy?

Who is celebrating?? :thinking about:

blueflint · Jul 1, 2014

no celebration from me but must be happier than joy is at the mo :blue::blue:

AFCCOVENTRY · Jul 1, 2014

Don't think anyone is celebrating...

I think what most are pointing out is that Sisu's plan to distress acl and just bark up the wrong tree half the time has been proved by he judge.

señor Santiago · Jul 1, 2014

Anything that makes sisu less likely getting the Ricoh is a win

Noggin · Jul 1, 2014

I'm celebrating the fact that the enemy of the people of Coventry and of Coventry City football club havn't prospered. weather this is good for the club we currently have no idea but you can bet your ass I'm pleased that the Villains haven't succeeded and that our tax isn't being given to sisu as compensation for the losses they brought on themselves by moving out of the city.

I don't like to see scumbaggery rewarded and thats the reason I'm pleased about the result. I'm pleased as a decent human being and not as a Coventry fan. As a Coventry fan there hasn't been anything to be pleased about in the last 18 months,

east_midlands_skyblue · Jul 1, 2014

I'm happy about it... I feel that the council represents Coventry much better than the football team these days. I'd love for the club to be back in Coventry, but the current owners seem intent on increasingly turning the club into a basket case rather than following any obvious business logic. I'm sure that if they had any interests in running a successful football club they'd have taken a different course of action so I suspect that it's a case of Ricoh or bust. And it's surely looking more like bust for them right now - it might mean even more pain in the short-term but if they've gone at least we'll end up back in Coventry in some league or other.

shmmeee · Jul 1, 2014

People don't like Sisu, get over it.

Otis · Jul 1, 2014

I can't see much celebrating.

People do seem quite satisfied though that justice was seemingly done here and that there was no case to answer. All this court case has done has wasted everyone's time and money.

diggerdaley · Jul 1, 2014

As a taxpayer I'm bloody glad sisu did'nt get any of my hard earned money to stash away in an offshore bank account.

Cheshire Sky Blue · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy, I can't see that anyone is 'celebrating'

Many are speaking of their disgust of how SISU have treated everyone in order to get the RICOH by ransom.... That's not celebrating, that's commenting

Some reference the damage that has been done by SISU to the Club, the fans and the City of Coventry. That's not celebrating, that's observing

Some ridicule the Strategy SISU are following and say they struggle to follow the business logic behind it. That's not celebrating, that,s critiquing the information

You stick up for SISU and their actions at every opportunity. That's also not celebrating, that's delusional

You see no wrong in what Sisu have done. That is also not celebrating, that's disturbing!!!

Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

Going bust for SISU also means that the club will die,why do people npt undertsand this?

Both sides needs to make majpr concessions for the club to survive and be a success. Especially if we want someone else to come in and buy the club. The belief that a new owner would agree to whatever ACL demand is deluded to say the least.

Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

Can you show me where I always stick up for SISU?

bigfatronssba · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Going bust for SISU also means that the club will die,why do people npt undertsand this?

Both sides needs to make majpr concessions for the club to survive and be a success. Especially if we want someone else to come in and buy the club. The belief that a new owner would agree to whatever ACL demand is deluded to say the least.

Most people do understand this.

However most of us aren't prepared to see innocent local people have their reputations ruined by sisu lies.

Some of the things said by sisu about CCC are scandalous, and I for one am please that these lies have been shown for what they are.

diggerdaley · Jul 1, 2014

I think a new owner would negotiate a fair rent with ACL to play at the Ricoh

Cheshire Sky Blue · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Going bust for SISU also means that the club will die,why do people npt undertsand this?

Both sides needs to make majpr concessions for the club to survive and be a success. Especially if we want someone else to come in and buy the club. The belief that a new owner would agree to whatever ACL demand is deluded to say the least.

But you consistently fail to recognise that it is SISU that refuse to compromise and make concessions. Just read the bull that Fisher came out with and view his interview on BBC. It may be that you are correct, that without that compromise CCFC are up shit creak.

Why do you not understand that that is SISU's doing!

Cheshire Sky Blue · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Can you show me where I always stick up for SISU?

Yeh, Go back through your posting history, it aint hard.

Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

diggerdaley said:
I think a new owner would negotiate a fair rent with ACL to play at the Ricoh

What is a 'fair rent'?

Without access to all revenue that the clubs help to attract, no one would be interested in such a proposal

bigfatronssba · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
What is a 'fair rent'?

Without access to all revenue that the clubs help to attract, no one would be interested in such a proposal

So why dont sisu try and buy said revenues?

skybluetony176 · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
It is odd to say the least that there is currently so much happiness on this forum with regards to the JR. It seems that some believe that a victory for CCC is also a victory for the fans. Is someone able to explain why this is the case? Why does a SISU defeat suddenly increase their chances of selling onto someone else?

We are no better off that before, yet there is open celebration. We are just another step towards the club not existing and some are happy?

I don't know about the celebrating part but there's no denying that losing the JR is one less reason for them to hang around and I defy anybody to explain how them sticking around would be constructive for the club.

Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

Cheshire Sky Blue said:
Yeh, Go back through your posting history, it aint hard.

Then please show me where I stuck up for and praised sisu.

I was also highly critical of them for employing Thorn, whilst the majority on here though he was 'the next big thing' and let them get away with it for too long.

Cheshire Sky Blue · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
What is a 'fair rent'?

Without access to all revenue that the clubs help to attract, no one would be interested in such a proposal

What CCFC was paying was too much, no doubt about that. But what concerns me is that SISU could have had access to 50% of the benefits of ACL profits and could have worked to reverse the contracts with existing lease holders. They didn't, they tried to play hard boys to get the RICOH and associated benefits for not very much and it backfired.

OK as the Judge said, that's Plan A gone, where the hell is plan B?

duffer · Jul 1, 2014

It's a strawman argument, the OP. People aren't openly celebrating the likely demise of the club. Some people are happy to see SISU lose, because they think this was a case without foundation, brought with the primary intent to financially distress ACL rather than on any point of principle. I'd probably put myself in that camp.

I'm not celebrating - but I am hopeful that if this part of SISU's strategy fails we might see some movement to a proper negotiation between all of the parties, ideally done whilst CCFC take up a short-term rental for the club. Now that would be grounds for celebration, I'd say.

Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

duffer said:
It's a strawman argument, the OP. People aren't openly celebrating the likely demise of the club. Some people are happy to see SISU lose, because they think this was a case without foundation, brought with the primary intent to financially distress ACL rather than on any point of principle. I'd probably put myself in that camp.

I'm not celebrating - but I am hopeful that if this part of SISU's strategy fails we might see some movement to a proper negotiation between all of the parties, ideally done whilst CCFC take up a short-term rental for the club. Now that would be grounds for celebration, I'd say.

Again, until both sides make concessions, there is little hope of a short-term rental,IMO.

Why would the well-being of ACL be of any concern to a CCFC fan? They are nothing to do with the club.

ccfcway · Jul 1, 2014

its all good news !

SISU are now concentrating on building us a new stadium, they are putting the fans first and are looking to build bridges with the council.

Tim said so on the radio today.

Surely that's worth celebrating Sick Boy ?

Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

ccfcway said:
its all good news !

SISU are now concentrating on building us a new stadium, they are putting the fans first and are looking to build bridges with the council.

Tim said so on the radio today.

Surely that's worth celebrating Sick Boy ?

Only a fool would believe to to be true.

It seems that anyone who doesn't support CCC/ACL is seen as supporting SISU. It makes no sense at all.

With such strange attitudes amongst our fans, it's easy to see why they never questioned a hedge fund owning the club and were once proud of the 'hard nosed' business people.

skybluetony176 · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Again, until both sides make concessions, there is little hope of a short-term rental,IMO.

Why would the well-being of ACL be of any concern to a CCFC fan? They are nothing to do with the club.

So when are sisu going to make concessions? The only movement we've seen on their part is from the rent being to high to match day revenues to the freehold or I'll pull the plug on the club and off course the idiotic I'll bite my nose of to spite my face and fuck everybody else move to suxfields. Or were you talking about some actual concessions on sisu's behalf?

spider_ricoh · Jul 1, 2014

Otis said:
I can't see much celebrating.

People do seem quite satisfied though that justice was seemingly done here and that there was no case to answer. All this court case has done has wasted everyone's time and money.

I am celebrating, specifically for the reasons you list. Have got a bottle of decent champagne to share with the mrs tonight! (only saw JR verdict this lunchtime as was abroad).

Also, anything that hurts SISU and their cause is likely to speed up the arrival of the day they leave, which is crucial for the rebuilding the club.

lamtara2006 · Jul 1, 2014

Otis said:
I can't see much celebrating.

People do seem quite satisfied though that justice was seemingly done here and that there was no case to answer. All this court case has done has wasted everyone's time and money.

I agree, plus probably a sense of relief as the consequences of the opposite verdict would have been so distasteful. I doubt it brings resolution any nearer as Sisu still seem hell-bent on confrontation but I still feel better.

CCFC PimpRail · Jul 1, 2014

I think there has been a bigger reaction from Fisher refusing the plan to bring CCFC back to the Ricoh with whoever else paying the rent, which to me says they either want control of ACL, they still think there is room to negotiate a deal, or there is something really amiss such as the club is about to fold.

duffer · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Again, until both sides make concessions, there is little hope of a short-term rental,IMO.

Why would the well-being of ACL be of any concern to a CCFC fan? They are nothing to do with the club.

Aside from moral arguments regarding contracts and law etc. and the fact that (like it or not) the taxpayer is invested in ACL, the way that SISU deal or don't deal with ACL should be of huge interest to any fan of CCFC. It's because it's key to playing football in the city. It also patently brings in more money to the club being at the Ricoh than being stuck out in Northampton.

Put bluntly, trying to screw over ACL is the reason for the JR, it's why SISU moved us to Northampton, and it's the reason that we're still there. Whether you like ACL/CCC or not, why anyone would back such a disastrous tactic from our owners is beyond me. I could just as well ask why you'd support this approach from our owners over the general well-being of the club.

Who knows what kind of concessions might be on offer if SISU decide to talk to ACL. But I'm guessing they're going to offer a bit less than £1.2m p.a. over 40 years, so there's a pretty big concession right there.

Fwiw I'd like ACL to offer an unambiguous, cheap, short-term deal, and then all parties can negotiate honestly for the rest (or failing that build a new stadium) whilst the club is back in the city. That would seem to me to be enough of a concession in the short-term to move on from this madness, but it could be that you and our owners differ.

ccfcway · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Only a fool would believe to to be true.

It seems that anyone who doesn't support CCC/ACL is seen as supporting SISU. It makes no sense at all.

With such strange attitudes amongst our fans, it's easy to see why they never questioned a hedge fund owning the club and were once proud of the 'hard nosed' business people.

so you saying our owners are not telling the truth , and you are asking why people are celebrating that they lost a court case ?

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
It is odd to say the least that there is currently so much happiness on this forum with regards to the JR. It seems that some believe that a victory for CCC is also a victory for the fans. Is someone able to explain why this is the case? Why does a SISU defeat suddenly increase their chances of selling onto someone else?

We are no better off that before, yet there is open celebration. We are just another step towards the club not existing and some are happy?

It is a victory for the fans in most fans eyes. That's why most fans are happy.

Sick Boy · Jul 1, 2014

SISU should drop their demands for the freehold, and in exchange should be offered a peppercorn rent. The club should also be given access to 50% off revenue which the club brings into ACL. That includes F&B's, parking,naming rights and general sponsorship.

Both parties, and the fans, need to realise that the sides need each other for both the club and ACL to be a success. This would also make the club more attractive to a potential buyer.

Grendel · Jul 1, 2014

Sick Boy said:
SISU should drop their demands for the freehold, and in exchange should be offered a peppercorn rent. The club should also be given access to 50% off revenue which the club brings into ACL. That includes F&B's, parking,naming rights and general sponsorship.

Both parties, and the fans, need to realise that the sides need each other for both the club and ACL to be a success. This would also make the club more attractive to a potential buyer.

Spot on. How in earth can anyone serious expect the owners of a business to pay for another business than quadruples in value purely due to them.

No one will do it. Ultimately both sides will die off.

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