You supported the fuck out of your mate when he was shown up to be posting racist shite on social media, to the point where you suggested we should turn a blind eye to racism to support a march in support of a change in CCFC ownership. What has changed your view?If you really do believe that taking the knee is political that’s your prerogative. Just make sure you’re on the right side of the political divide. ie the one that doesn’t side with racism. In other words if you can’t support taking the knee don’t boo it.
Given that so many player have come out and said that it is not a politically affiliated gesture, and have been quite clear that it is about taking a stand on racism, then I don't really understand your point. The gesture itself, as has been pointed out, predates recent events. There may be some people who take the view that you put forward, but to me that seems to require quite a lot of mental hoop jumping. The outcome of booing is very symbolic in itself. The players are taking a stand against racism, if you express your discontent (vocally or otherwise) with that, then the message you are sending is also quite clear.
I would also suggest anyone interested in this topic do some research into the origins of this gesture. It was never affiliated to a specific political movement (aside from the broad theme of highlighting racism and inequality).
Jesus Christ. I hear Hollywood are looking for new script writers. You should give them a call.You supported the fuck out of your mate when he was shown up to be posting racist shite on social media, to the point where you suggested we should turn a blind eye to racism to support a march in support of a change in CCFC ownership. What has changed your view?
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.Mans just ignorant. No better than anti vaxxers or 5G nuts. We shouldn’t use morons and the mentally ill as entertainment TBH.
And numerous black (and white) men and women tell you they are taking the knee as a gesture against racism.It’s a fact that BLM are run by trained Marxists (communists).
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
Guarentee 9/10 people who say “I don’t support Marxism” have never read Karl MarxIt’s a fact that BLM are run by trained Marxists (communists).
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
Can you tell me where you go to train as a Marxist?It’s a fact that BLM are run by trained Marxists (communists).
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
Guarentee 9/10 people who say “I don’t support Marxism” have never read Karl Marx
I would say not everything is politics, but everything can be made political. Depends which way you approach it.
I once asked someone when they read Karl Marx and was met with “who?”Exactly. They just use it as a smokescreen for their actual views.
They don't have a fucking clue what Marxism even means but by saying it they can be racist without actually admitting they're racist.
Mars?Can you tell me where you go to train as a Marxist?
BLM are aliens confirmedMars?
It’s a fact that BLM are run by trained Marxists (communists).
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
How many players need to say that taking the knee is a peaceful protest against racism before you believe them?It’s a fact that BLM are run by trained Marxists (communists).
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
All this has to get to a point when something changes. Since doing this has it stopped, nothing has changed remarks, abuse, hand gestures by fans.
for most we want to see something make a difference for racism to stop. I'm not sure if owners, players, police or fans get something going. If players think kneeling brings change thats up to them, but sooner or later it effects nothing. It all becomes false gestures and empty words.... Bit like writing on here.
They have publicised it. Multiple times. People turn round and ignore this.This is a wider societal problem - racism. There's little point here about grandstanding. I'm sure Dabo's name on Saturday will get a bigger cheer- I certainly hope so.
If the original post wanted to pass a message or begin a debate then this has dragged on. I think he wanted to pass a message that very few would disagree with.
This thread has evolved now though. I'm no big fan of BLM due to its stated aims of "defunding the police" and the radical actions of a small minority. However what group in history hasn't had a few idiots in, so I'm probably being harsh.
I would never boo those taking the knee. I would like to understand the reasons behind why some people do boo. In order to understand that you may have to listen to them, rather than shout down / insult them.
If there's anyone here reading that does boo- please tell me why and I might understand where you're coming from. For most people (myself included) it just comes across as racist. I accept that the reasons for taking a knee are varied, and if it was publicised as simply an anti-racism gesture- it may have more public support.
You are right, but it has been contradicted and nuanced by so many different people to make it far more complicated than it needs to be. There are still many BME players who refuse to "take a knee".They have publicised it. Multiple times. People turn round and ignore this.
People boo it because they’ve taken the media’s word for gospel - BLM, Marxism etc. Most people who boo have no idea what When kneeling started or what Marxism is.You are right, but it has been contradicted and nuanced by so many different people to make it far more complicated than it needs to be. There are still many BME players who refuse to "take a knee".
Potentially, fans out there booing (I think highly unlikely though) because they feel making a symbolic small gesture like taking a knee is insufficient and more need some to be done. Or because football and politics can't be mixed (another weak argument in the circumstances).
That's why I want to hear from the horse's mouth in case there's anything I'm missing.
That being said - I don't disagree with your point.
You are right, but it has been contradicted and nuanced by so many different people to make it far more complicated than it needs to be. There are still many BME players who refuse to "take a knee".
Potentially, fans out there booing (I think highly unlikely though) because they feel making a symbolic small gesture like taking a knee is insufficient and more need some to be done. Or because football and politics can't be mixed (another weak argument in the circumstances).
That's why I want to hear from the horse's mouth in case there's anything I'm missing.
That being said - I don't disagree with your point.
This is a wider societal problem - racism. There's little point here about grandstanding. I'm sure Dabo's name on Saturday will get a bigger cheer- I certainly hope so.
How about every time he touches the ball?
trained marxists? you plumIt’s a fact that BLM are run by trained Marxists (communists).
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
trained marxists? you plum
I believe that is Darren Grimes.Who is the numpty in that video after Lyle Taylor talks?
Is it an old video perhaps? We have now gone way past BLM, as clubs and players have clarified the reason they are taking the knee. It's an anti racism stance and not a pro BLM stance.
I'll be very disappointed if that's not an old video.
This a million timesIt’s depressing that this has to be spelt out. The people organising the stance have said it’s simply a statement about opposition to racism. If you’re anti anti-racist I’ve a fair idea what you are.
Politics is about power, who has it, who doesn’t abs why.
Taking the knee is a political gesture in the same way that wearing a poppy and having a minute’s silence during games nearest Remembrance Sunday is. If you’re booing taking the knee how would you react to a bunch of fans booing the silence in November?
Clap in support of Dabo and the City with the longest history of multiracial diversity in the country or shut the fuck up. Booing isn’t simply parading ignorance it’s an incendiary act.
Can you tell me where you go to train as a Marxist?
It’s a fact that BLM are run by trained Marxists (communists).
You’ve just listened to a black man tell it how it is, he’s obviously looked into BLM and hasn’t taken this decision lightly, and you call him ignorant, a moron and mentally ill.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
Because they want to take the knee.why can't they stand together with a banner declaring their feeling's towards racism?
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