Do We Think SISU Are Changing? (4 Viewers)

The Reverend Skyblue · Jul 7, 2012

Grendel;217130[B said:
]Although budgets remain constrained there is evidently a far more strategic business plan[/B]. At least now a strategy is in place. There is a stronger management team (including Fisher and Waggott) and this will reflect in a better focus throughout the club from youth team development through to the first team.

It will never be an ideal but it is better than what we had.

The business plan is very clear, sell our promising youngsters and bring in 35 year old cripples who can't find anyone else to take them on. Not really a great plan for the future though. How can we accept this as our clubs business plan, the club has no future at all.

I've just read we've just offered contracts to Martin Keown, Tony Adams and Lee Dixon, so we can sell Clarke,Thomas and Christie.
Going on this, we'd all think thats good business also and a brilliant plan for the future.

When will people finally get it, we have no future under SISU, and hardly any of us are doing anything about it.

The rev

torchomatic · Jul 7, 2012

I wouldn't call Kilbane a cripple. His experience will be vital for the young lads.

Grendel · Jul 7, 2012

The Reverend Skyblue said:
The business plan is very clear, sell our promising youngsters and bring in 35 year old cripples who can't find anyone else to take them on. Not really a great plan for the future though. How can we accept this as our clubs business plan, the club has no future at all.

I've just read we've just offered contracts to Martin Keown, Tony Adams and Lee Dixon, so we can sell Clarke,Thomas and Christie.
Going on this, we'd all think thats good business also and a brilliant plan for the future.

When will people finally get it, we have no future under SISU, and hardly any of us are doing anything about it.

The rev

However one of the biggest gripes is the youth of the squad. Another gripe was letting platt go. Kilbane it is suggested will join the management team at some point do again a strategy of succession planning is in place.

As for the same of an unproven novice for money this represents short term commercial sense. The aim has to be promotion and the 3 signings are likely to be more impactful than him. I think there is a lot of emotion in the resentment. Emotion generally is a weak arm of business strategy, clinical anysis and strategic planning is stronger and usually more successful.

theprince · Jul 7, 2012

Grendel said:
Although budgets remain constrained there is evidently a far more strategic business plan. At least now a strategy is in place. There is a stronger management team (including Fisher and Waggott) and this will reflect in a better focus throughout the club from youth team development through to the first team.

It will never be an ideal but it is better than what we had.

Do you really believe that or are you pissed ? Things will get a whole lot worse the longer these types are running the show. THERE'S NO MONEY COMING IN, NONE, ZILCH. Just vastly reduced gate reciepts. Nothing was done last year with treble the money coming in than this year.

The Reverend Skyblue · Jul 7, 2012

Grendel said:
However one of the biggest gripes is the youth of the squad. Another gripe was letting platt go. Kilbane it is suggested will join the management team at some point do again a strategy of succession planning is in place.

As for the same of an unproven novice for money this represents short term commercial sense. The aim has to be promotion and the 3 signings are likely to be more impactful than him. I think there is a lot of emotion in the resentment. Emotion generally is a weak arm of business strategy, clinical anysis and strategic planning is stronger and usually more successful.

I can confirm there is absolutely no emotion in my statement. I was talking long term, i thought short term thinking/planning is what we all wanted rid of, and i believe has been said by SISU. Thinking short term in a business sense is why so many of them have gone tits up.

There is absolutely no long term planning and a business should always plan for the future, and in my mind just common sense, but if you think differently and that we should take yet one more gamble to try and get up,(just like SISU did when they first got here), then thats your perogative.If you think selling youngsters and bringing in old crocks is stategic planning, worrys me if you have a business and if you have ,its future

The Rev

Astute · Jul 7, 2012

Which old CROCK have we brought in Rev?

We suffered last season through lack of experience. We have brought in a player that has well over 700 games under his belt, including 110 internationals. So he is 35. Let's say he broke through at 18. So in 17 years as a pro he has played over 700 games. That is over 40 games a season year after year spanning about 17 years, but some on here are trying to say he is injury prone to make out he is a sh!te signing :facepalm: He will help our younger players vastly as well as getting a class player. We could have another Dennis Wise situation, but this time from the start of the season.

cheever · Jul 7, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
So far we have lost

Cranie
Mcpake
Clingan
Norwood
Nimely

Likely to lose
Bigi
Keogh

So we have had 7 players out, and have brought in 3.

They may still bring in more, but for now it appears to be same old Sisu to me.

You forgot Platt and Eastwood....

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 7, 2012

Astute said:
Which old CROCK have we brought in Rev?

We suffered last season through lack of experience. We have brought in a player that has well over 700 games under his belt, including 110 internationals. So he is 35. Let's say he broke through at 18. So in 17 years as a pro he has played over 700 games. That is over 40 games a season year after year spanning about 17 years, but some on here are trying to say he is injury prone to make out he is a sh!te signing :facepalm: He will help our younger players vastly as well as getting a class player. We could have another Dennis Wise situation, but this time from the start of the season.

Wisey was probably one of the best signings made in our 11 years since the PL. 5 years older than Kilbane too-anyone remember that overhead kick at Hull?

TheRoyalScam · Jul 7, 2012

torchomatic said:
I wouldn't call Kilbane a cripple. His experience will be vital for the young lads.

Young lads like Bigirimana..............oops, forgot we'd sold him for a pittance.

Astute · Jul 7, 2012

TheRoyalScam said:
Young lads like Bigirimana..............oops, forgot we'd sold him for a pittance.

So that makes Kilbane a crap signing?

I am not saying I didn't want Bigi to go. We have not suddenly become a selling club though. I remember when we bought Keane. I thought things had changed. How long did that last?

Astute · Jul 7, 2012

Oh and we sold him for a pittance. How much did we get for him? Do you know? Newcastle knew there were a fair few teams after him. Would this have not put the price up?

The Reverend Skyblue · Jul 7, 2012

Astute said:
Which old CROCK have we brought in Rev?

We suffered last season through lack of experience. We have brought in a player that has well over 700 games under his belt, including 110 internationals. So he is 35. Let's say he broke through at 18. So in 17 years as a pro he has played over 700 games. That is over 40 games a season year after year spanning about 17 years, but some on here are trying to say he is injury prone to make out he is a sh!te signing :facepalm: He will help our younger players vastly as well as getting a class player. We could have another Dennis Wise situation, but this time from the start of the season.

Astute , he would have naturally played a lot more when he was a youngster than he could now and Now is all i'm interested in. He suffers from a back condition, and in the last two years, hence more recent than when he was 19, he has played a lot less. All i am saying,and i think we all agree,is that Kilbane will play now and then, and if he plays one third of the games we're going to have to play this season, it will be a miracle.

The Rev

TheRoyalScam · Jul 7, 2012

Didn't say anything about KK being a 'crap signing'. Just highlighting the irony - KK will help the younger players, yet we've sold one of our most promising youngsters for a pittance.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 7, 2012

TheRoyalScam said:
Didn't say anything about KK being a 'crap signing'. Just highlighting the irony - KK will help the younger players, yet we've sold one of our most promising youngsters for a pittance.

Those initials will forever be tarnished by that useless donkey we gave Sunderland £600k for.

Grendel · Jul 7, 2012

theprince said:
Do you really believe that or are you pissed ? Things will get a whole lot worse the longer these types are running the show. THERE'S NO MONEY COMING IN, NONE, ZILCH. Just vastly reduced gate reciepts. Nothing was done last year with treble the money coming in than this year.

Why are you worried Eleanor? You have already assured us the Hoff us coming to save us. A few I's and T's to cross isn't it?

You could give Bobby Davro a run in the comedic stakes.:facepalm::facepalm:

torchomatic · Jul 7, 2012

Oh yes, i forgot. We've sold them all. No young lads left.

TheRoyalScam said:
Young lads like Bigirimana..............oops, forgot we'd sold him for a pittance.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 7, 2012

torchomatic said:
Oh yes, i forgot. We've sold them all. No young lads left.

No unfortunately that's all we have left

Grendel · Jul 7, 2012

CCFC said:
No unfortunately that's all we have left

Really? I thought it was just old crocks now.

valiant15 · Jul 7, 2012

We haven't bought an old crock,shitsu don't know what paying for a player means. Oh well thanks to your beloved sisu we'll be. going to tranmere and bury. Wankers.

Godiva · Jul 7, 2012

valiant15 said:
We haven't bought an old crock,shitsu don't know what paying for a player means. Oh well thanks to your beloved sisu we'll be. going to tranmere and bury. Wankers.

At least we will be going ...

I can understand your hatred towards sisu, but I fail to understand why you (and in fairness a few others - you are not alone) need to label your fellow fans 'sisu lovers'. I don't think there are any sisu lovers on this board - and possibly not on the entire planet.

Tank Top · Jul 8, 2012

cloughie said:
Do we think sisu are changing

NO

Neither do I, I mean has there been any "New Money"

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