Do You Agree With Fisher Changing The Bonus Structure At Coventry City? (2 Viewers)

torchomatic · Aug 14, 2012

CCFC are changing from an appearance bonus system to a system that rewards success, do you agree?

Fisher: "Everyone connected with the club knows that our budgets have been slashed because of relegation. However, this is as much about creating a culture that motivates success not mediocrity.

The club paid out the thick end of £1 million in bonuses last season – in a year when we were relegated. We feel this is not acceptable and had to change.

The players have responded in engaging in mature sit down discussions. The overall bonus pool this season is projected to be higher than the bonus monies that were paid-out last year but with one significant difference – it requires success to trigger the bonuses which we think is only right and proper and I am sure the vast majority of supporters would agree with that. We are not going to tolerate mediocrity or, indeed, reward it."

Nick · Aug 14, 2012

What they have done YES.

Have they gone about it the right way? Maybe not.

smileycov · Aug 14, 2012

If we get promoted, then the lads that stayed after last year, for whatever reasons deserve all the bonus they can get. I just want to see passion for the shirt not for the £.

skyblueman · Aug 14, 2012

So the club paid out over £1million in bonuses last year and they project it will be higher this year !

Great!!! ACL are going to love that then Mr Fisher - we're going to pay out more in bonuses than we need to for the rent ... which we ... er ... can't pay .. FFS this is getting ridiculous

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 14, 2012

skyblueman said:
So the club paid out over £1million in bonuses last year and they project it will be higher this year !

Great!!! ACL are going to love that then Mr Fisher - we're going to pay out more in bonuses than we need to for the rent ... which we ... er ... can't pay .. FFS this is getting ridiculous

Only if we are successful which will hopefully lead to us being in a position to afford the rent

skyblueinBaku · Aug 14, 2012

A necessary change that was implemented in an abysmal manner.

skyblueman · Aug 14, 2012

CCFC said:
Only if we are successful which will hopefully lead to us being in a position to afford the rent

Just to be clear - is the bonus now collective and entirely based on winning promotion then?

ashbyjan · Aug 14, 2012

I think we all agree that as a club we need to operate within our means whoever the owners are - and reigning in the bonus system and wages of players is a necessary step to achieving this but the aggressive and confrontational way SISU have gone about the matter on the eve of the new season smacks of poor timing and a disregard for team morale or on pitch performance.

WeWillBeBack · Aug 14, 2012

Voted no because I like to be different.

torchomatic · Aug 14, 2012

I can see where you're coming from, Jan. However, by the looks of it, SISU didn't spring this on the players this morning, it's been going on for a few weeks. Personally, I can't see how the players can complain too much.

Colonel Mustard · Aug 14, 2012

ashbyjan said:
but the aggressive and confrontational way SISU have gone about the matter on the eve of the new season

As Torchomatic said, this seems to have been going on for a while - and management/labour negotiations usually go to the wire. And was there a non-aggressive and confrontational way to do this? The nature of the new agreement means the players don't have it as easy as they once did - there's no way it could be done without a little blood spilled.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Aug 14, 2012

skyblueman said:
Just to be clear - is the bonus now collective and entirely based on winning promotion then?

I don't know exactly but I would guess the bonuses would work on a slider basis with a better league position paying out a better bonus

He is saying the total possible bonus payout is higher than last year, I think this would be the most successful scenario which would be promotion. So if we aren't successful and finish midtable the bonuses paid out would be significantly lower to last season.

That is my interpretation of it anyway

kg82 · Aug 14, 2012

torchomatic said:
I can see where you're coming from, Jan. However, by the looks of it, SISU didn't spring this on the players this morning, it's been going on for a few weeks. Personally, I can't see how the players can complain too much.

I can see their point if they decided to kick up a stink, it's a lot of money. But from the sounds of it they've taken the decision well and in the best interest of the club which I admire them for.

ashbyjan · Aug 14, 2012

Funny how when it suits Fisher the spinmeister the financial info is divulged and amount of bonus is suddenly openly transmitted to the fans - the greedy players earned £1m in bonuses. Mr Fisher, how much did SISU get for Keogh and Bigi oh sorry thats none of our business thats undisclosed.

covcity4life · Aug 14, 2012

glad to see most cov fans on here have some sense.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 14, 2012

skyblueindorset said:
A necessary change that was implemented in an abysmal manner.

Like the rent 'renegotiation'?

Cobi Jones's Dreads · Aug 14, 2012

The principle of it is right, but the timing is atrocious! Still voted yes.

WillieStanley · Aug 14, 2012

ashbyjan said:
I think we all agree that as a club we need to operate within our means whoever the owners are - and reigning in the bonus system and wages of players is a necessary step to achieving this but the aggressive and confrontational way SISU have gone about the matter on the eve of the new season smacks of poor timing and a disregard for team morale or on pitch performance.

We don't know how aggressive they were! All we have is an angry tweet from a kid after a loss and the tales of a non-assuming Sky engineer. The fact that the negotiations started at around the same time as pre-season and only finished last night would suggest to me that Fisher actually took into account what the players thought about the restructure.

WillieStanley · Aug 14, 2012

If this was aggressive, then the consultation period we're having at my organisation is GBH!!

skybluejelly · Aug 14, 2012

The thing is city are saying we have to slash wages as our income and budgets have been cut ... Well maybe the players also had budgets which have now obviously been slashed.. Yes maybe they should not have bought new audis but they had a budget and could afford it .. Now being held to ransom

SkyBlueScottie · Aug 14, 2012

In principle yes, have they gone about it in the right manner, probably not.

I can potentially also see why perhaps some players are upset, as they could have signed contracts which are not particularly rewarding with regards to a basic wage (in footballing terms) but its made up with an appearance bonus.

skyblue1523 · Aug 14, 2012

The bouns should have been sorted from the day they signed with clause's in weather it be for promotion or as we have done gone down.Then you would'nt be upsetting the players you want to take us back up.My personal view is they would only get a bounses on winning not for apps thats what they get a wage for.

dongonzalos · Aug 14, 2012

Agree, but timing is shit

SydneySkyBlue · Aug 14, 2012

Seconded. Poor timing and from what I gather handled badly too. No shock there then.

I also agree with Ashbyjan that Fisher has been very sly with what is and isn't disclosed to the fans lately.

smileycov · Aug 14, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Agree, but timing is shit

So it was done After last season and before this season starts. so when was it best done? They have released and sold and re-negotiated with those remaining. It has taken 3 weeks so far, how are we to know it wasn't first done 3/4 weeks prior to that. It has dragged on but pre-season is the perfect time surely!

skyblueman · Aug 14, 2012

smileycov said:
So it was done After last season and before this season starts. so when was it best done? They have released and sold and re-negotiated with those remaining. It has taken 3 weeks so far, how are we to know it wasn't first done 3/4 weeks prior to that. It has dragged on but pre-season is the perfect time surely!

As long as I don't have to hear Fisher spouting on about the players 'doing it for the good of the club' - can't abide that sort of bullshit - tell it like it really is - it's for the good of SISU - they don't want to fund it - they could but they don't want to - there's a massive difference between the two - the clubs survival is not in the hands of the players nor ACL and I for one wish they would stop all this high ground moralising about all the sacrifices everyone has to make due to the relegation

Nonleagueherewecome · Aug 14, 2012

GinettasStickySofa said:
Seconded. Poor timing and from what I gather handled badly too. No shock there then.

I also agree with Ashbyjan that Fisher has been very sly with what is and isn't disclosed to the fans lately.

That's a superfluous "lately"! When has he ever been straight with us? His bullshit today was pure Cameron gold. A job in politics surely beckons? PLEASE, AND SOON!!

thechase · Aug 14, 2012

ashbyjan said:
Funny how when it suits Fisher the spinmeister the financial info is divulged and amount of bonus is suddenly openly transmitted to the fans - the greedy players earned £1m in bonuses. Mr Fisher, how much did SISU get for Keogh and Bigi oh sorry thats none of our business thats undisclosed.

What if the clubs involved wanted the fee to be undisclosed so as not to alert other clubs to how much money they had to spend?

thechase · Aug 14, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
That's a superfluous "lately"! When has he ever been straight with us? His bullshit today was pure Cameron gold. A job in politics surely beckons? PLEASE, AND SOON!!

Clearly been following your lead in bullshit then hasnt he?

mark82 · Aug 14, 2012

Was not expecting 90% in favour. Blimey.

BigadamL · Aug 14, 2012

The thing is, if I do crap at work I don't get a bonus and I can't see many others getting a bonus for doing crap. In the real world companies are not doing well so are having to cut costs so it's only natural that football has to do the same.

I'm not pro SISU I'm anti SISU but it does make sense, could this be another reason why certain players have been offloaded? The likes of deagan? O no my mistake he was just CRAP!

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 14, 2012

I agree that there has to be a common sense route, but if any negotiations have taken place and a bonus scheme has already been agreed with any players, contracts signed, as such, these contracts have to be honoured.....but since when have SISU respected a contract, and honoured it?:jerkit:

Colonel Mustard · Aug 14, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
....but since when have SISU respected a contract, and honoured it?:jerkit:

Some examples of them disrespecting and dishonouring a contract?

Astute · Aug 14, 2012

The consultation period needs to be minimum 90 days, so that would take us from relegation to now.

I would say all the new players are already on the new system, so it is best all players are getting the same bonus to stop anything going wrong in the dressing room over it.

coundonskyblue · Aug 14, 2012

I dont have a problem with the players being told to take a cut, I think its only fair that they take their share of the blame.

However I do have to question who gave the players these stupid contracts in the first place, and why was it not sorted sooner?

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