I can understand needing to ‘pivot’ more away from your core values if the opposition is in strong shape, but this Tory government is as weak as possible and widely disliked. You have license to try and offer something more bold and transformative for people.
I don't think I do live in a safe seat by any measure.I think he’s naturally cautious and desperately wants to not only win but grind the Tories into the dust.
Your “bold and transformative” is someone else’s “crazy and scary”. And if you tend to live in safe seat areas and the crazy and scary people tend to live in target seats, then the scary crazies win every time.
I'm not in a safe seat either. I built it myself and it feels a little wobbly!I don't think I do live in a safe seat by any measure.
So you’re voting for the only party with a rejoin the EU policy. Interesting. How long have you been a bregreter?I will now vote - and I will vote Green Party
agreed, i probably do have a rare take on things. not sure i fit in with anything on offer at the moment. will definitely be voting for the least worse, i just need to work out what that is at present.Does anyone think they should be?
Most left wing people complain centrist Labour are too harsh on the poor, I’ve got to say yours is a rare take.
no, the rich have had it too good as well. something else i blame labour for, tbh.Yeah, leave the not working but get loads of money for doing nothing to the spoilt rich inheritance kids!
What is it exactly you want for the ‘working man’?no, the rich have had it too good as well. something else i blame labour for, tbh.
they abandoned the working man in at both ends of the scale. they obviously thought they had the working man in their pocket, so went after the non-workers vote, and too many of the middle class. all at our expense.
lots of loopholes that need closing. just ask angela rayner. she knows her way around the system.
1. Fair, although there is a big issue with the pay of nurses and doctors plus the requirement of nurses to pay for their own training which was previously not the case.1, i'd like to see our money better spent. the nhs is a good example. the solution is to not throw more money at it, it's to stop wasting money in the way it is now. it seems to me that as soon as suppliers know things are for the nhs the price goes up. this needs sorting.
2, i think it's absurd that, if you have a job, you're highly unlikely to get free dental care. so, we pay for it for everyone else, and then have to pay for it again for ourselves. wtf?!!
3, policies like "breakfast clubs for all kids" seem to miss the fact that not all kids need me to buy breakfast for them. why are we expected to pay for breakfast for the kids of millionaires, just because it might win a few votes?
4, winter fuel payments. people who don't even live in the uk still get these payments?
5, accommodation for asylum seekers. currently £8m a day, or something like that. we need to invest in a system that will hear asylum cases within days of someone arriving in this country. not months, or even years.
6, i think the level of benefits you are allowed to claim if you find yourself out of work should be linked to what you have paid in.
7, tax loopholes need to be closed. for instance, if i buy a book from amazon, and it's delivered from a warehouse in the uk, using uk roads, how the fuck did that transaction take place in another country?
i could go on, but i haven't had my tea yet.
1, agreed. some of the savings made should go to nurses and doctors pay.1. Fair, although there is a big issue with the pay of nurses and doctors plus the requirement of nurses to pay for their own training which was previously not the case.
2. Can you explain?
3. A universal policy ensures that nobody falls through the cracks and that everyone who has a need automatically qualifies.
4. Do they?
5. Fair
6. So someone unable to find work at 18 should get £0? Most people out of work do not *want* to be out of work.
7. Fair
We have universal health care and education, despite not everyone having the same need or want. In my view, it's better for a few people who don't strictly need a service to use it than to have many more need it and not use it.1, agreed. some of the savings made should go to nurses and doctors pay.
2, i've paid income tax (along with all the other taxes we all pay) for nearly 40 years, yet i don't qualify for free dental care, apparently. doesn't seem fair to me.
3, universal polices aren't fair. don't give money to people who just don't need it. it's not the govs money to give.
4, yes. friends of my mother live in spain, but still get winter fuel payments. (and they are not scamming the system, they're entitled to them, apparently.)
6, i didn't say they should get zero, but they should get less. i know of people who have never done a days work in their life, but live in a bigger house than me, drive a newer car than me, and never seem to be short of money.
we don't seem to have universal health care. i work, so don't get dental care. people who i know who don't work, do. that's not fair.We have universal health care and education, despite not everyone having the same need or want. In my view, it's better for a few people who don't strictly need a service to use it than to have many more need it and not use it.
Being unemployed is much less likely to be a lifestyle choice than it is a serious problem for the individual.
6, i didn't say they should get zero, but they should get less. i know of people who have never done a days work in their life, but live in a bigger house than me, drive a newer car than me, and never seem to be short of money.
Well we do have it in the sense of you being able to go to a hospital and not be charged for services. Though let’s turn around your argument on dental care.we don't seem to have universal health care. i work, so don't get dental care. people who i know who don't work, do. that's not fair.
breakfast clubs for school kids isn't really an educational thing. it's an attempt to win votes, at the expense of the working man. it can't be too difficult to have this in place foc for people who need it, and charge those who still want to use the service but can afford to pay for it. not means testing things like this is unfair, and just plain wrong.
lots of people who an unemployed want to work. there's a lot of unfulfilled jobs out there, so you'd think it would be easy enough to match those up. i'm talking about the others, where a bit of encouragement is needed to get them working.
i genuinely think people benefit from working. the dignity of labour, and all that. there's some people who have never experienced that.
My ex worked for the NHS and from what I saw where she worked we're paying a small fortune for doctors and nurses. Only problem is the money isn't going to doctors and nurses.1. Fair, although there is a big issue with the pay of nurses and doctors plus the requirement of nurses to pay for their own training which was previously not the case.
I know you've mentioned this before and although I know it predominantly for their stance of animal cruelty I do wonder how they don't get more votes than they do. It's fair to say you and I are from different ends of the political spectrum but I'd vote for them as well.I will now vote - and I will vote Green Party
People are reluctant to vote for them if they don’t think the party has much chance of winning and a vote for them will allow someone else to get in.I know you've mentioned this before and although I know it predominantly for their stance of animal cruelty I do wonder how they don't get more votes than they do. It's fair to say you and I are from different ends of the political spectrum but I'd vote for them as well.
Obviously I like their environmental policies and I think their economic policy on the whole is very progressive, but people aren't ready for such a major change and (for fear of sounding a bit Liz Truss) I can't see the markets accepting it. Though I do think they can get too bogged down in stuff like gender politics.
I think the 'problem' is that you appear to think of everything from a personal perspective rather than a 'what is best overall'.1, agreed. some of the savings made should go to nurses and doctors pay.
2, i've paid income tax (along with all the other taxes we all pay) for nearly 40 years, yet i don't qualify for free dental care, apparently. doesn't seem fair to me.
3, universal polices aren't fair. don't give money to people who just don't need it. it's not the govs money to give.
4, yes. friends of my mother live in spain, but still get winter fuel payments. (and they are not scamming the system, they're entitled to them, apparently.)
6, i didn't say they should get zero, but they should get less. i know of people who have never done a days work in their life, but live in a bigger house than me, drive a newer car than me, and never seem to be short of money.
It’s an absolutely batshit mental thing to come out with.All 18 year olds will be glad that Sunak is going to lose after that statement tonight.
Its totally nuts. first off how does he thing that's going to play with young voters, is this an admission that they've totally given up on getting votes from the younger generation?It’s an absolutely batshit mental thing to come out with.
It’s an absolutely batshit mental thing to come out with.
yes.And you think that’s as a result of benefits?
The situation you’re describing usually has more to do with inheritance etc than benefits6, i didn't say they should get zero, but they should get less. i know of people who have never done a days work in their life, but live in a bigger house than me, drive a newer car than me, and never seem to be short of money.
i don't have kids, so have never used any of those services that i pay for. i've also never been in an ambulance, or had the need to use the fire service. but i am, of course, happy to pay for all of those things.Well we do have it in the sense of you being able to go to a hospital and not be charged for services. Though let’s turn around your argument on dental care.
Why should I, as someone who doesn’t need dental treatment, have to contribute towards a service I don’t need? Why do people without children pay towards state education, people who oppose nuclear deterrents pay towards their upkeep, and so on and so forth?
i'm talking about people i know. members of my family. i'd know if they'd inherited anything.The situation you’re describing usually has more to do with inheritance etc than benefits
don't describe my views as a problem. i give them a lot of thought, as it happens.I think the 'problem' is that you appear to think of everything from a personal perspective rather than a 'what is best overall'.
Saying "I've done this but someone else hasn't but they get this so why is that fair?" isn't thinking big enough. What matters is whether something makes life and society better overall. Hence why people like me see things like crime and drugs more along rehabilitation and prevention rather than punishment. It goes against the sensibilities we've been brought up with but evidence of countries that follow that mindset are better off.
Hypothecated taxation - that would be funWell we do have it in the sense of you being able to go to a hospital and not be charged for services. Though let’s turn around your argument on dental care.
Why should I, as someone who doesn’t need dental treatment, have to contribute towards a service I don’t need? Why do people without children pay towards state education, people who oppose nuclear deterrents pay towards their upkeep, and so on and so forth?
James Cleverly doing the rounds this morning. If you dont do the military aspect of national service and take the civil aspect the civil aspect is unpaid. It will be compulsory to do national service but it won’t be a criminal offence to refuse to do it. It’s got more holes than Swiss cheese, a red meat gimmick for the frothers. They’re not taking this election seriously at all.
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