shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Nah come on man. I agree that we should take our fair share and that the madcap schemes the Tories come up with are both cruel and useless. But pretending the EU isn’t safe?
Again, how exactly do you determine that? You can’t speak for the safety of 30 other countries.
We take a fraction compared to countries like Germany, Greece and Italy.
We were involved in Afghanistan until recently, we sell a large amount of weapons into the Middle East too. All of which has displaced a large amount of people.What
What military action are we currently engaged in?
Did you
Did you read what I was responding to, there is no need for people to come to UK to escape persecution, they are safein Europe. They do not arrive here directly from their country of origin.
Having been to Lampedusa and seeing people brought in on boats while driving one myself, the reality is quite different to what people like Farage will have you believeIt's not possible, of course, to be an illegal asylum seeker. Just clarifying that (again).
We were involved in Afghanistan until recently, we sell a large amount of weapons into the Middle East too. All of which has displaced a large amount of people.
In reality Italy is no different compared to other PMs being in charge as a result of the constitution.Take a look at the political climate of said countries. Specifically how well their far right parties are doing - Greece has got multiple successor neo-nazi organisations to Golden Dawn.
I’m not pretending it isn’t safe. But seeing as we take a tiny proportion compared to Europe then maybe those that get us have done so for other reasons like family connections and support networks.Nah come on man. I agree that we should take our fair share and that the madcap schemes the Tories come up with are both cruel and useless. But pretending the EU isn’t safe?
Precisely. I thought the first safe country they reach has an obligation to take them.How are they going to? We’re an island in the middle of a bunch of first world nations.
We can fit loads more people in too.
That’s a want not a need.I’m not pretending it isn’t safe. But seeing as we take a tiny proportion compared to Europe then maybe those that get us have done so for other reasons like family connections and support networks.
Precisely. I thought the first safe country they reach has an obligation to take them.
Our infrastructure? Bearing in mind we’re importing a population equivalent of a 2 Coventrys. Net migration in 1997 was around 50k.
At one point, 25% of asylum claims of small boat crossing were from Albania. Which is a safe country. The system is clearly broken and schemes being abused.
Our infrastructure? Bearing in mind we’re importing a population equivalent of a 2 Coventrys. Net migration in 1997 was around 50k.
At one point, 25% of asylum claims of small boat crossing were from Albania. Which is a safe country. The system is clearly broken and schemes being abused.
29k in small boats last year. 253k from India, 141k from Nigeria.
If it’s numbers you’re worried about why focus on asylum seekers?
Yeah, Australia is a really open-minded country.Well, this is a symbolic issue, isn’t it? If we can’t sort out something like illegal immigration, how do we possibly sort out legal immigration?
Again, if we strive to be a high wage economy, this isn’t the way to do it and ironically, given the people supporting mass immigration, it’s a dream of big business. It’s no coincidence that growth has been sluggish since the advent of mass immigration post-1997.
Japan and Australia are the models to follow and no one is calling the Japanese or Australian governments far right.
Well, this is a symbolic issue, isn’t it? If we can’t sort out something like illegal immigration, how do we possibly sort out legal immigration?
Again, if we strive to be a high wage economy, this isn’t the way to do it and ironically, given the people supporting mass immigration, it’s a dream of big business. It’s no coincidence that growth has been sluggish since the advent of mass immigration post-1997.
Japan and Australia are the models to follow and no one is calling the Japanese or Australian governments far right.
Which Indians and Nigerians would you reject?
Our infrastructure is whatever we want it to be. The idea that “we’re a small country” is bollocks. Loads of room if we want.
Yet no coherent policy around how to break the mechanism that allows this to happen.At one point, 25% of asylum claims of small boat crossing were from Albania. Which is a safe country. The system is clearly broken and schemes being abused.
Japan is fucked and hasn’t grown in decades.
Australia lets in about the same amount per capita as we do if you exclude Ukraine and Hong Kong.
And lots of people call the Australian and Japanese immigration policies far right.
Yet no coherent policy around how to break the mechanism that allows this to happen.
Just send off the victims to Rwanda.
We do our duty by asylum seekers rather than treating them like cattle. the issue isn't the numbers, the issue is the time to reach a decision (increased dramatically recently) and the system for repatriating if the claim is rejected.What’s the alternative though?
Again, there have been flaws in the acceptance processes too. Unfortunately, often a front for nasty people smuggling rings too.We do our duty by asylum seekers rather than treating them like cattle. the issue isn't the numbers, the issue is the time to reach a decision (increased dramatically recently) and the system for repatriating if the claim is rejected.
It's worth noting that the majority of claims for asylum are accepted...
This is very much looking like a campaign to demonise the needy and helpless, so I'm out.Again, there have been flaws in the acceptance processes too. Unfortunately, often a front for nasty people smuggling rings too.
Net migration into the UK has slowed down significantly in parallel with the economy. How on earth can adding more people be a drain on the value of goods and services being sold?Well, this is a symbolic issue, isn’t it? If we can’t sort out something like illegal immigration, how do we possibly sort out legal immigration?
Again, if we strive to be a high wage economy, this isn’t the way to do it and ironically, given the people supporting mass immigration, it’s a dream of big business. It’s no coincidence that growth has been sluggish since the advent of mass immigration post-1997.
Japan and Australia are the models to follow and no one is calling the Japanese or Australian governments far right.
Why do you continue to do this? You deliberately take someone’s words and twist them.
Well, not all the land is habitable so the ‘only 3% of the space is used’ is equally a false narrative.
More importantly, you need housing, roads, hospitals, schools and more. Who’s paying for all of this? There comes a point of diminishing returns on mass immigration and we’re probably at that level now. Again, the IFS* predicts an estimated £100 billion in expenditure to maintain public services by 2030. So, there’s a stark cost to mass immigration.
*The source for that figure is the one you cited 1.7bn figure for Labour’s private education VAT policy.
Your main complaint seemed to be that we don’t have the infrastructure for the current immigration numbers. So instead of worrying about 30k people fleeing war why not just stop some of the huge numbers of economic migrants from those countries?
Or we can not take the Ukrainians and Hong Kongers? There’s no twisting here. It’s just you want to avoid the consequences of your desired policy aims likely for the same reason the Tories and Farage do; it’s easier to pick on people on boats than people handed a visa by the government.
A lot of the unbuilt areas aren't suitable. And if we start getting rid of green spaces and cutting down forest the physical and mental health of the country will drop off a cliff.Our infrastructure is whatever we want it to be. The idea that “we’re a small country” is bollocks. Loads of room if we want.
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