Sick Boy
Super Moderator
....but it's fine for them to join the army?
....but it's fine for them to join the army?Because they have no experience of life and the area of the brain responsible for judgement literally has not formed fully yet. If a 16 year old can’t be trusted to sell me a lottery ticket when I am clearly old enough, they can’t be trusted with a vote.
This time, but letting some attention seeker that close is appalling. I know it would delight some but, it could have been acid. As I say, its just another symptom of a growing lack of respect.
That’s more to do with gambling laws than anything else. How do you judge who can be trusted with a vote? I’d argue and with good reason that any members of the Tory Party that voted Truss in as leader of the Tory party and PM by default can’t be trusted with a vote.Because they have no experience of life and the area of the brain responsible for judgement literally has not formed fully yet. If a 16 year old can’t be trusted to sell me a lottery ticket when I am clearly old enough, they can’t be trusted with a vote.
....but it's fine for them to join the army?
They’re still legally bound to a contract they signed as a minor though - isn’t it 6 years?Only with parental consent and they can’t fight.
‘If you are under 17 years 6 months you will attend Army Foundation College, as a Junior Solider, before starting Standard Entry training’
I’m not sure it is the boomers who are bitter.Bitter boomers life experience has served us well
You become an adult at 18 in the UKBeing older than 16 doesn’t automatically make you more sensible, as evidence of this I present Liz Truss. 16 is the age you become an adult in law so it’s only right that they get the vote. You’re being deliberately flippant saying why not let 13 year olds and it adds nothing to the discussion. For the record I wouldn’t consider banning over 75 year olds from voting, I’m just making the point that there’s more of an argument to allow 16 year olds vote than there is over 75’s.
I think the crux of the problem is that the older generations don’t like that it’s 16+ year olds that are shaping the country so they want to delay that process. Despite the fact that when they were in their teens right up until they retired they were the ones shaping the country. The national service argument is the ideal example of this. I’m 51 and I’m hearing some people of a similar age and older going yeah that’s a good idea, that will sort out the youth. Oblivious to the fact that old people were saying the exact same thing about them when they were a teenager. Yes your children and grandchildren don’t hold all your values, suck it up snowflakes, your grandparents and parents probably had the same issue with you when you were younger.
16 year olds aren’t shaping the country.Being older than 16 doesn’t automatically make you more sensible, as evidence of this I present Liz Truss. 16 is the age you become an adult in law so it’s only right that they get the vote. You’re being deliberately flippant saying why not let 13 year olds and it adds nothing to the discussion. For the record I wouldn’t consider banning over 75 year olds from voting, I’m just making the point that there’s more of an argument to allow 16 year olds vote than there is over 75’s.
I think the crux of the problem is that the older generations don’t like that it’s 16+ year olds that are shaping the country so they want to delay that process. Despite the fact that when they were in their teens right up until they retired they were the ones shaping the country. The national service argument is the ideal example of this. I’m 51 and I’m hearing some people of a similar age and older going yeah that’s a good idea, that will sort out the youth. Oblivious to the fact that old people were saying the exact same thing about them when they were a teenager. Yes your children and grandchildren don’t hold all your values, suck it up snowflakes, your grandparents and parents probably had the same issue with you when you were younger.
The attacks on teachers are all part of the same lack of respect that has crept into our society. Two wrongs don’t make a right.Ironically he was hate preaching about school teachers not five minutes before the attack. 1 in 5 school teachers are assaulted a year on average. Maybe if he displayed some respect for for others who are far more vulnerable to personal attacks than he is people might have a bit more sympathy for him.
Hundreds of thousands is stretching it. A few thousand more knuckle draggers and pensioners more like.Anyone who thinks these milkshake stunts are genuine needs their bumps felt.
As Tice conveniently tweets:
He clearly means personal tax, ie they’re living and working in said country legally. Not VAT on anything you might purchase on holiday. Why do people keep jumping to extremes that no one meant in the first place as the line of defence. It’s moronic.
Of course they are. Not as much as the idiots who voted Truss to be MP, she even told them that she would crash the economy. Yet you deem them experienced enough to vote.16 year olds aren’t shaping the country.
I’m just going to assume that you’re being deliberately stupid and not bothering replying.Why is income tax a special tax? And in theory no you don’t pay VAT as a holiday maker but in practice no one is reclaiming the Twix they bought from a corner shop are they? Tax is a charge on transactions. It’s a silly, moronic you might even say, distinction.
Should my cleaner not get a vote because she earns below the personal IT threshold? Should a single mum who receives more back in tax credits not get a vote? Should JK Rowling get an extra vote cos she pays more tax? Maybe I should get two as a higher rate payer?
It’s the sort of comment that sounds clever at first but falls apart at the slightest scrutiny. Voting is a right of being a citizen, it’s not something you buy by paying tax.
I’m not suggesting they do. The point I’m making is that he is at the coal face of promoting hate. Teachers today, Muslims last week. Tice was promoting hate against civil servants last week with conspiracy theories. Tory ministers promoting hate against lawyers alongside Reform, enemies of the people were the words used if I remember correctly. Rtc. etc. It’s almost as if his chickens have come home to roost.The attacks on teachers are all part of the same lack of respect that has crept into our society. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
I’m just going to assume that you’re being deliberately stupid and not bothering replying.
They’re still legally bound to a contract they signed as a minor though - isn’t it 6 years?
I can't believe I've got involved in arguments about tax...really need the football to start up.
I’m sorry Pete, the link you gave shows that to give the vote to 16 year olds would be totally out of sync with the vast majority of countries.It’s not
That is physical maturity, and some could physically have babies at 12.But mature enough to have a baby. It frankly all needs equalising out, whether that's up to 18 or down to 16.
Go ahead, just exempt me from paying any taxes.Remove the vote from over 67s. They don’t pay National Insurance, can’t have kids, can’t join the army, and they’re easily swayed by benefit and house price increases and have no stake in the real economy.
This is fun.
The age of consent is 16.T
That is physical maturity, and some could physically have babies at 12.
So you’re saying this is purely about mental maturity?T
That is physical maturity, and some could physically have babies at 12.
I wonder if she is over 18?Beautiful.View attachment 35985
The age of consent is 16.
But 18 to watch or buy porn. Strange rules
I think I am, yes, given the area of the brain responsible for judgement isn't fully developed at 16.So you’re saying this is purely about mental maturity?
The age of consent is 16.
I think I am, yes, given the area of the brain responsible for judgement isn't fully developed at 16.
If it isn’t about maturity then 13 year olds should be able given the vote. In truth, we all know what this proposal is about and if 16 year olds were more likely to vote Tory it wouldn’t be being suggested by Labour.
I would be happy to stick with the majority of countries at 18. So yes, people should be able to vote if they are 25. Or75.Votes at 25?
Met chief says millions of men are danger to women and girls in England and Wales
National strategy beyond policing and criminal justice system needed to tackle problem, Sir Mark Rowley sayswww.theguardian.com
An inconvenient truth?
A toxic culture war fringe issue which only hateful bigots bang on about?
I would be happy to stick with the majority of countries at 18. So yes, people should be able to vote if they are 25. Or75.
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