SIR ERNIE
Well-Known Member
yeah but it's cool to be a 'Progressive'
yeah but it's cool to be a 'Progressive'We already know what’s going to follow a Labour government looking at New Zealand and Germany. Starmer definitely tried to model himself on Schloz and maybe even Aldern too.
The German economy is the ‘sick man’ of Europe atm and Aldern’s tenure ended in failure; crime, immigration and housing all getting worse.
Renewables, frankly, has its place to supplement our existing energy demands but it’s not a serious replacement for fossil fuels, yet.
yeah but it's cool to be a 'Progressive'
Many on here were looking to her New Zealand with envy
Casts an interesting light on the whole Labour strategy of whoring out to the Daily Mail and renouncing anything vaguely progressive.
Only cause you want to see him in a negative lightThe root of it is Starmer’s leadership, in reality he’s a slippery man. Says one thing to get elected by the Labour membership, will say whatever needs to be said to be elected by the country.
In reality, there won’t be a clear mandate to change anything meaningful with the majority he’ll have. Ed Balls pointed out his commitments to not raise ‘working people’s’ taxes and/or increase borrowing really restricts him. So far, the new taxes to raise £7bn is pointless.
He strikes me as a weak leader that won’t make any difficult or potentially unpopular decisions.
Streeting is going to be horrendous
Why would anyone want to see the next PM in a negative light? I want to see positives but beyond competency I see none.Only cause you want to see him in a negative light
Sometimes changing is an act of being open to new ideas and finding a new way
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Not you or those like youWhy would anyone want to see the next PM in a negative light? I want to see positives but beyond competency I see none.
Have Labour actually won anyone over by this lurch to the right? Or at least, any more over than they’ve pissed off? Seems to me this election will be the country’s anger at the Tories rather than anything Labour have done.
No problem with council tax increasing. A drop in the ocean compared to our mortgage payments and at least people locally might benefit.Streeting today admits there’s no strategy at all for reforming the care sector and pretty obvious councils will be able to adjust bands and increase above current levels.
Well, at least the conversation around the NHS won’t dumbed down to ‘it’s all the Tories fault’ and that they have ‘systematically and deliberately underfunded’ the NHS.Streeting is going to be horrendous
If the Tories hadn’t gone insane since 2019 they’d be comfortably re-elected even with Starmer spitting on the left.Not you or those like you
I agree that renewables are cheaper, but 100% renewables delivered in 4.5 years? Enough supply to support all the electric vehicles and heat pumps being forced on us? And what happens when the wind is too fierce or non existent on gloomy days? It wouldn’t matter what was happening elsewhere in the world then, would it?
Only cause you want to see him in a negative light
Sometimes changing is an act of being open to new ideas and finding a new way
Good to see that lessons have been well and truly learnt from what happened with Brexit."Voters are turning away from the two major parties in a huge break with the trend seen in the 2019 general election campain"
Well, at least the conversation around the NHS won’t dumbed down to ‘it’s all the Tories fault’ and that they have ‘systematically and deliberately underfunded’ the NHS.
This prospective Labour government knows it can’t just throw money at the NHS like many people want it to.
I agree to an extent but you could say the same about the likes of Johnson who was only pro-Brexit to further his own career.The root of it is Starmer’s leadership, in reality he’s a slippery man. Says one thing to get elected by the Labour membership, will say whatever needs to be said to be elected by the country.
In reality, there won’t be a clear mandate to change anything meaningful with the majority he’ll have. Ed Balls pointed out his commitments to not raise ‘working people’s’ taxes and/or increase borrowing really restricts him. So far, the new taxes to raise £7bn is pointless.
He strikes me as a weak leader that won’t make any difficult or potentially unpopular decisions.
Only cause you want to see him in a negative light
Sometimes changing is an act of being open to new ideas and finding a new way
Good to see that lessons have been well and truly learnt from what happened with Brexit.
Just look at JohnsonI find it quite interesting on a sociological level. I’ll preface this by saying that, by and large, I can see the point around perceived ‘lack of principles’ but there are so many external factors which have changed, and is it not better to have a pragmatist in charge than an ideologue?
Wasn’t really aimed at youYou’d think that, but I actually supported Starmer’s bid to become Labour leader.
All due respect Pete, well meaning platitudes isn’t enough to get this country (or the West as a whole) out of this rut.
As you say, useless. And part of Labour’s master plan.Fucking useless
HMRC has failed to fine a single ‘enabler’ of offshore tax fraud in five years
Landmark powers to impose huge fines to tackle tax evasion and avoidance are ‘pointless’, figures showwww.theguardian.com
Yes, but his bid to win Tory leadership and 2019 GE was to ‘get Brexit done’ and break a constitutional deadlock that was plaguing this country. That was delivered for better or worse.I agree to an extent but you could say the same about the likes of Johnson who was only pro-Brexit to further his own career.
And often not.Only cause you want to see him in a negative light
Sometimes changing is an act of being open to new ideas and finding a new way
Man the copium levels are high in here.
This place is going to be in bits come July 5th.
It isn’t. It’ll be indifference at a long overdue Tory exit having at last happenedMan the copium levels are high in here.
This place is going to be in bits come July 5th.
They don’t provide services at the horrendous level they are at now. Plus refusing to take on new developments leaving homeowners paying twice.No problem with council tax increasing. A drop in the ocean compared to our mortgage payments and at least people locally might benefit.
Only cause you want to see him in a negative light
Sometimes changing is an act of being open to new ideas and finding a new way
Which is actually worse when you think about it…Their message is that it is all the Tories fault, the follow up bit is that they will do nothing different.
You are the embodiment of dumbed down with your Telegraph messaging.
What does Brexit have to do with it?
The article says that the main two parties will have a low vote share and tries to frame it as much a Labour problem as a Tory problem.
It seems to totally fail to mention that a) Labour's vote share is going to increase and b) the reason for the low vote share is because the Tories are going to be decimated.
It’s no different to 1983 other than the fact the Tory vote under Thatcher is likely to be marginally higher than Starmer will achieve. It’s actually likely to be less than both Corbyn and May achieved in 2017
Their message is that it is all the Tories fault, the follow up bit is that they will do nothing different.
You are the embodiment of dumbed down with your Telegraph messaging.
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