Nick
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Using your example of average being 30k, 2 x parents and the price I posted it's doable. There's also a high chance of a bursary on that wage too for further saving.
Which is why I'm disputing "average" family here. Very comfortable, family with no mortgage, family who eat very little, but "average"? No way.
And plenty of shit too,How can there be any evidence when they haven't been in power for 14 years?
There's plenty of good policy from their previous time in office though.
Average mortgage payment in the UK is about £680 a month (£8160 a year), average rent is about £980 a month (£11760 a year).Yeah it's pretty much one of the wages gone for a single kid.
It also depends on how "average" is defined, how much is their mortgage, do they have car payments etc?
So, I presume your £60K example is net pay? If so, then the gross would be getting on for £90K pa. Hardly average.Just looked, King Henrys for example is £15,900 per year. (without bursaries)
For one kid, it's do able for an example household income of £60k.
Obviously when you start talking about Eton and things like that it's silly money.
Well a mortgage would be a start,no,my grandson passed, went to that one maddison went not a choice for my daughter and partner probably cos they have another one to cater forYeah it's pretty much one of the wages gone for a single kid.
It also depends on how "average" is defined, how much is their mortgage, do they have car payments etc?
Average mortgage payment in the UK is about £680 a month (£8160 a year), average rent is about £980 a month (£11760 a year).
Parents could live a packet of donuts a day each, some sacrifice that!Which is why I'm disputing "average" family here. Very comfortable, family with no mortgage, family who eat very little, but "average"? No way.
16 year olds can’t be sent to a “front line”, so aren’t old enough to die for their country.Ah, so you're not big on democracy then. I'd say if you're old enough to die for your country, or work and pay tax to it, you're old enough to vote.
As for FPTP, I'd like to live in a country where every vote counts.
Just because your opinion is rigid, doesn't mean it's correct, of course. Similarly, being over-18, or even much, much, older, does not necessarily make one wise.
16 year olds can’t be sent to a “front line”, so aren’t old enough to die for their country.
13 year olds can work, and if they earn enough pay tax on it, Should they be able to vote?
Your rationale is rubbish
1997-2010
A quick google search can answer this for you. You do know the UK was bailed out by the IMF in 1976 because we were on the verge of defaulting on our debts?
Let’s say we print more money, ok… that’ll lead to inflation, the BoE will then have to raise interest rates. From the ‘mini budget’, we found that a lot of mortgage payers can’t afford interest to go much higher than 7%. The BoE had to secure pensions by buying up government bonds to avoid that collapsing. To use the 70s as an example, inflation reached 25% and interest rates up to 17%. This would be Armageddon for the economy if we had a situation
Or, we increase taxes exponentially and watch all the highest taxpayers leave the country. Millionaires are already abandoning this country and that’s set to only get worse under a Labour government.
They didn't crash the economy.Cant forget Labour crashing the economy and trying to blame everyone else for their failure, by not putting in controls on the economy.
And then the huge gaping whole in the UK finances that was formed by the complete failure to actually do anything about it.
The violent deaths of over 150,000 civilians in and around Iraq.
How can you possibly support this sack of shit, Shmmeee?
One could argue your faith in Labour is as strong as any extreme fundamentalist.
Oh, they did.They didn't crash the economy.
No, they didn't.Oh, they did.
You've got to keep reminding them about what a bunch of assholes they really are.
There was a global recession. There was a narrative pushed at the time that it was caused by Labour, which was ridiculous.Oh, they did.
You've got to keep reminding them about what a bunch of assholes they really are.
No, they didn't.
16 year olds can’t be sent to a “front line”, so aren’t old enough to die for their country.
13 year olds can work, and if they earn enough pay tax on it, Should they be able to vote?
Your rationale is rubbish,
Where were the controls of the economy?There was a global recession. There was a narrative pushed at the time that it was caused by Labour, which was ridiculous.
US lenders caused the 2008 global crash.Oh, yes, they did.
There was a global recession. There was a narrative pushed at the time that it was caused by Labour, which was ridiculous.
The fees maybe £15.900 a year but that doesn't include uniform both summer and winter and sports kits and you are expected to take part in after school clubs and school trips and days out all come at a very high cost and payments for school dinner .Just looked, King Henrys for example is £15,900 per year. (without bursaries)
For one kid, it's do able for an example household income of £60k.
Obviously when you start talking about Eton and things like that it's silly money.
Still one of the most iconic things ever shown on TV.
I am amazed anyone can think that emulating this would be the way forward.
Due to perceived regulatory failure of the banks during the financial crisis of 2007–2008, the UK government decided to restructure financial regulation and abolish the FSA.
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And there we have it in one sentence.
Oh, yes, they did.
Ah, so you're not big on democracy then. I'd say if you're old enough to die for your country, or work and pay tax to it, you're old enough to vote.
As for FPTP, I'd like to live in a country where every vote counts.
Just because your opinion is rigid, doesn't mean it's correct, of course. Similarly, being over-18, or even much, much, older, does not necessarily make one wise.
Just on the higher taxation thing, this is the usual Laffer curve argument, oft-used to justify gross inequality of income and wealth and argue against redistributive taxation.
Like most gross over-simplifications, it's basically false to claim that higher taxes will inevitably either lead to lower tax revenue or any significant flight of capital.
It's far, far more nuanced than that, but it doesn't stop the right wing myth peddling of course.
Bit early for Panto season, but what the hell...
A lot of those lefties probably feel let down by the fact they put their faith in Starmer around the Labour leadership and since being elected he’s basically told them to fuck off.Looking at most platforms online, those who slag Starmer off the most tend to be to the left. They attack him more than the Tories do. Not the most exciting of politicians, but I don't want exciting. I don't want a narcassist like Johnson or a near billionaire like Sunak, I want someone sensible, yes, someone boring. Someone who'll govern without thinking of their own mates and their own pockets.
I think someone like Starmer is just what this country needs after 14 years of fuckwittery from the Tories.
Then the current PM made sure it effected the UK by lobbying for the RBS to takeover a distressed bank which bought down RBS. Still, he earned a few million out of it so every cloud…US lenders caused the 2008 global crash.
Maybe yes, Corbyn is to left wing for middle England and the so called red wall, blue LabourNo, but he'd have had a decent chance of winning the election overall given the shitshow of the Tories.
Put it another way, do you think Starmer would be winning if he was facing Boris in 2019?
Then the current PM made sure it effected the UK by lobbying for the RBS to takeover a distressed bank which bought down RBS. Still, he earned a few million out of it so every cloud…
The hard truth is Sunak did more to crash the UK economy than Labour did in 2008.
The criticism that should be levelled at Labour is what they did next but people are too distracted by the shiny shiny myth that Labour crashed the economy.
You sign at 16, you're in until you're 22, and "frontline" at first or not, you're committing to risk your life for your country at a point in the near future. Seems like we're happy to trust them to do that.
As for the 13 year old thing, no one is asking for them to get the vote, the amount of them earning enough to pay tax is miniscule, and of course under-16s are still in full time education.
What's your rationale for not giving them the vote? Are you scared they might vote the wrong way, or is it that some of them might have spots? Talk about rubbish...
And that's if you only have one child!Might be doable for you, but I certainly couldn't afford £21K or £36K a year out of our family budget. I doubt many "average" families could. Great, if you can afford it as we all want the best possible start in life for our kids, but to say that's attainable for the average family, even if they are making sacrifices, is laughable. Seems our view on average is different.
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