Sick Boy
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Plus Johnson's early morning hungover flights from Italy.
Do you want to discuss boring politics? (27 Viewers)
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Nick
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You can pay monthly.
People can get bursaries so that takes some of the price.
I have literally shown the workings out for 2 people on 30k a year.
torchomatic
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And the fact they literally put the son of a KGB spy in the House of Lords.
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Deleted member 9744
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As with health and indeed all public services the solution is to fund them properly. It certainly is not to encourage the private sector to take over things which should be in public hands and which will perpetuates inequality.
Mucca Mad Boys
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There’s definitely a lot of spite regarding this topic and others. If people can afford better, they should somehow be punished for that.
Really, these people are doing the taxpayer a favour because the state doesn’t need to pay for their children’s education.
torchomatic
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I don't think it's a spite thing. Not from me. If people can afford it, then great. I'm just disagreeing that an "average" family could afford to send their child(ren) to public school. I certainly don't think a take home household income of £60K pa is "average".
Plus tax relief will go when Labour get in power so there'll be another 20% on top.
David O'Day
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I'm no climate denier but I do feel damaging Stonehenge is not the way to garner support for your cause.
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I was thinking the same but I guess when you write so much, it's inevitable in the end one thing will turn out to be sensible.About the first thing I've agreed with you on
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Deleted member 9744
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It's not about spite. It's about caring about fairness and equality of opportunity.
Fucking hell.
Have they conveniently forgotten that Boris Johnson went straight from a NATO meeting about Russia to a party hosted by an ex KGB agent without any other officials
Nick
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You keep saying about 60k take home, i have literally shown the workings out and it is based on 2 parents earning 30k each before tax.
Yes, with sacrifices for 1 kid it's doable.
Nick
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It is about spite, like I said, people can make sacrifices and do it off each parent earning 30k at a school like Henrys.
If it's about getting into Eton, I'd agree with you that it's about the super elite.
There's a difference.
skybluetony176
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Putting a Russian in the House of Lords against the advice of security services whose family also happens to be under sanctions in almost every other western country but us.
Then was the tennis match and donations with the wife of one of Putins henchmen.
The tories are far more entangled with Putin than any other political party.
skybluetony176
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Just subside it with a tax break.
Nick
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How do a normal couple get a tax break?
skybluetony176
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skybluetony176
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By not paying VAT on a luxury.
torchomatic
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Even when the 20% tax relief is scrapped after Labour get in?
Nick
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What next? Somebody paying to have a filling at a dentist because they can't get in with the NHS one?
I am sure they will be paying the same taxes as everybody else.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I’m sure if ‘just fund them properly’ was the solution, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Even Labour in 2024 and back in 1997 the NHS cannot survive if government just constantly need to throw more and more money at it.
The private sector and NHS can coexist. The countries that outperform us, there is much higher proportions of independent healthcare providers. Start by removing VAT on private health insurance to and even consider incentives to employers, self-employed and/or young people. Why? Make PHI more affordable, reduce the amount of people that need to use NHS services. It’s not a silver bullet solution, but it reduces the amount of people that need to use the service.
Nick
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No idea, as I guess nobody knows if / what will happen.
It really does sound like a spiteful thing; it's quite funny, really. I'm guessing many parents will do their best to find a way for their kids rather than whinging about it not being fair. If not, they will probably take them out and whack them in a state school, just making classroom sizes even bigger.
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That makes no sense.
It's not about the cost as far as i am concerned. I just don't agree with private education on principle nor private healthcare. These are services which should be available to everyone equally. Private education perpetuates inequality and privilege.
SkyBlueCharlie9
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The emerging picture suggest Labour will set mandatory housing targets for each Local Authority so each town village and city takes some. Conservative & Unionist party bang on about housebuilding (to keep their volume house builder chums happy) but then leave it up to local councils and local politicians, land owners and communities to discuss which means NIMBYism is rife and housebuilding is rife. As a Planner in south east Conservative & Unionist politicians 99% of the time try and prevent housing in their rural parishes at all costs, unless the landowner is a good mate and a Tory - then their principles just go out the window and housing is suddenly supported. Its so predictable and quite scandalous and very frustrating and feels a bit like the Masonics! Labour will probably reintroduce the early 2000's Growth Areas and Development Corporations (like Ebbsfleet) to deliver and unlike C&U will invest in Local Government to help this growth - as well as invest in the schools/hospital's that go with it (hopefully without PFIs this time). To do this they need to go hard on big Corporations tax dodgers, Premier League clubs and offshore tax havens and support small independent businesses and immigrants/youth/elderly/unemployed training as positive growth incubators. Massive challenge and a bold vision/masterplan for country essential. Helping the poorest deprived areas and people to improve their aspirations is critical to making this country great. C&U have imploded with infighting ahead for years and have just run out of motivation and ideas. They wont settle as a party until Farage or Boris becomes leader again..... which I reckon will happen in next couple of years. Great opportunity ahead if Starmer plays his cards right.
Nick
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Some people opt to use them because the other options are pointless.
What about people who can afford to live in areas with better schools as opposed to others who can only afford to live by really awful schools? Is that not the same thing?
What about people who pay for extra tutoring for their kids? What about people who pay for extra sports coaching for their kids?
Grendel
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Don’t you live in Rugby? Thats still selective education paid by the state isn’t it - so I assume your children actually go to the superior school?
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How are they pointless? And the solution is to fund state education properly. It's bizarre that some people are happy to pay massive fees to private organisations but baulk at paying modest tax increases.
Sending them to Dubai I heard still don't help my daughter!
Mucca Mad Boys
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… The VAT exemption is a tax break?
Nick
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I can't remember anybody saying "Look, give us a couple of hundred extra a month and we will make the local schools and hospitals top notch".
Maybe people just get on with it and try and do their best and realise that whinging about Starmer / Sunak isn't actually going to change their kid's education in the foreseeable future?
In the examples Im on about, somebody saw their kid stagnating at school, sat there while the teachers focused on kids who were naughty or struggling (which isn't the kids fault if they struggle). Shouting at Sunak or Starmer isn't going to change that.
The options are move house closer to better schools / private / home education.
torchomatic
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Why is state education/healthcare pointless?
Brighton Sky Blue
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People send their children to private school in large part because they’ll get better quality teaching in better facilities and generally smaller class sizes.
So if the government really gave a shit it would commit to making that more of a reality in the state sector.
Nick
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Just posted more, I guess it depends on the school / hospital / gp etc etc where you are.
Whinging about MPs won't improve it so people do things they can control. Whether that's paying for private health cover or whatever else.
Nick
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I'm sure if that happened then there would be a lot less appeal for parents to send their kids to private schools.
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£16kpa extra tax on people with a combined income of £60k would certainly go a long way towards that.
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Deleted member 9744
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The answer is to fund all schools and the health service, and indeed all public services properly. That's what we should be seeking from our politicians. Of course that means paying more tax, but most people are better off in those circumstances and society is fairer and works better. Crime is lower in more equal societies too. But we have a narrow minded view about tax in this country and we have useless politicians as a result who concentrate on the wrong things like promising austerity and tax cuts rather than delivering improvements.