The trouble is that there has been qualification inflation, largely following Blair’s encouragement of attendance at University and forcing people to stay in education until 18. When I started out, I got a job locally and then went on day release to Lanchester Polytechnic as it was then. Got an HNC followed by a masters level professional qualification all by part time study, paid for by the employer, while earning a reasonable wage. (I suppose this will be used as yet more evidence of the benefits enjoyed by boomers).I knew a lot of kids who wanted into various trades but either needed maths and English C grade for some reason or had to get a company to sponsor them and places were always limited. I know there’s been less interest recently, but generally it feels like we’ve let a whole generation of mechanically if not academically capable boys go to pot.
It will get very tough if we succeed in starting a family, but hopefully not for too long. If we started struggling with the wife going down to maternity pay, I’d probably start offering private tuition again.Wow.
I'm so glad I didn't go to uni. Currently discussing options with my daughter and work based degree apprenticeships are looking good.
There isn't much for working parents is there?It will get very tough if we succeed in starting a family, but hopefully not for too long. If we started struggling with the wife going down to maternity pay, I’d probably start offering private tuition again.
Surprised me that there is no support offered to postgraduate parents but there we go.
More than the £0 we’re entitled to.There isn't much for working parents is there?
I knew a lot of kids who wanted into various trades but either needed maths and English C grade for some reason or had to get a company to sponsor them and places were always limited. I know there’s been less interest recently, but generally it feels like we’ve let a whole generation of mechanically if not academically capable boys go to pot.
For some trades it's definitely needed to have a good understanding of English and maths. I remember they used to run English and Maths courses along side our course, but it was done during practical time in the work shop. I know some apprentices were essentially glorified tea boys at their job, so they got zero practical skills for the first year of the apprenticeship, even at 16/17 I could see the glaring issues with it.
If feels like everyone is shoe horned in to going to university, it has its place but I don't think it's needed for a lot of things.
Wow.
I'm so glad I didn't go to uni. Currently discussing options with my daughter and work based degree apprenticeships are looking good.
The difference between what I got at Marconi 97-01 and what’s on offer now is pathetic. I’ve been in businesses that see apprenticeships as a way to get around minimum wage legislation.
See above. Make sure you to your due diligence on any apprenticeship these days.
Is there? What's the difference?More than the £0 we’re entitled to.
Free childcare for oneIs there? What's the difference?
The difference between what I got at Marconi 97-01 and what’s on offer now is pathetic. I’ve been in businesses that see apprenticeships as a way to get around minimum wage legislation.
See above. Make sure you to your due diligence on any apprenticeship these days.
I might be wrong but I think that minimum wage loophole has been closed.A friend's lad had an apprenticeship to work on the shop floor at Next, absolutely ludicrous and I think you're right, it's just a way of getting round minimum wage.
I didn't get any?Free childcare for one
Don't know when it was introduced but:I didn't get any?
Students don't count as people in work for stuff like this. Undergraduate parents can get a separate kind of payment for childcare, as can people on various types of benefits-postgrads don't qualify for any of these.Why is it different if you have a degree?
No I didn't get any of that.
I think it's understandable you've got generations now who look at the current generation of retirees with envy. I'd love the life my dad had tbh. He left school with a handful of qualifications, got a job at a local firm and worked there until he retired. Off the back of that he had a good standard of living. Holidays every year, house that when I look a while ago I would need to be earning £150K a year to be even considered for a mortgage and a pension thats on a par with my salary.When I started out, I got a job locally and then went on day release to Lanchester Polytechnic as it was then. Got an HNC followed by a masters level professional qualification all by part time study, paid for by the employer, while earning a reasonable wage. (I suppose this will be used as yet more evidence of the benefits enjoyed by boomers).
Seen this a lot, one place I worked cut a decent percentage of their workforce and replaced them with apprentices that cost them next to nothing as they get subsidised.I’ve been in businesses that see apprenticeships as a way to get around minimum wage legislation.
It won’t collapse but children will stay with parents (late 20s/30s) until much later compared to now and there will be a lot less disposable income.Think our kids and grandkids are gonna have more of a struggle with life than work
Would imagine civilisation as we know it will collapse within that time?
we are leaving an utter shit show
How many more billions do you think the planet can contain before doomsdayIt won’t collapse but children will stay with parents (late 20s/30s) until much later compared to now and there will be a lot less disposable income.
No idea but people moving due to climate change will be the beginning of the end.How many more billions do you think the planet can contain before doomsday
AgreedNo idea but people moving due to climate change will be the beginning of the end.
Agreed
I have a feeling that they will be repelled at borders.No idea but people moving due to climate change will be the beginning of the end.
It generally seems to be beyond envy, it feels more like resentment.I think it's understandable you've got generations now who look at the current generation of retirees with envy. I'd love the life my dad had tbh. He left school with a handful of qualifications, got a job at a local firm and worked there until he retired. Off the back of that he had a good standard of living. Holidays every year, house that when I look a while ago I would need to be earning £150K a year to be even considered for a mortgage and a pension thats on a par with my salary.
Obviously there will have been tough times. The one that gets brought up most often is when mortgage rates spiked under Thatcher but having gone through all this paperwork recently, which for some reason he's kept, even at its worst the proportion of his salary going on mortgage payments is around the same as mine before I get a nice big increase in a couple of months when I renew.
I have no clue if I'll be able to afford to fully retire, or if there will still be an NHS or care system to look after me yet I would say I'm working hard and paying in just as current pensioners did.
Also heard a good point on a podcast recently. There's people in the workforce now who are in their 30s who have known nothing but crisis after crisis and austerity, hard for them not to be asking questions.
Seen this a lot, one place I worked cut a decent percentage of their workforce and replaced them with apprentices that cost them next to nothing as they get subsidised.
There is no one answerWhat's the solution?
Exactly. As it'll be a mass movement as part of a humanitarian crisis, it'll be the beginning of the end.I have a feeling that they will be repelled at borders.
I think we are way way passed the beginningExactly. As it'll be a mass movement as part of a humanitarian crisis, it'll be the beginning of the end.
There is no one answer
Found out yesterday one of my friends helps with extinction rebellion - I admire him a lot
Any answer starts with facing up to the reality of where we are
I’m just starting to
Our way of life is unsustainable and in our children’s lifetimes without meaningful interventions society and our way of life will collapse and we will either survive as a species or notWhat is the reality? Earths population is too high?
Is the second coming approaching?Our way of life is unsustainable and in our children’s lifetimes without meaningful interventions society and our way of life will collapse and we will either survive as a species or not
I reckon
You!
Definitely earths resources can’t cope with the human species
What is the reality? Earths population is too high?
So would the UK be but for immigration.If so then we’re fine cos most places are in population decline.
So would the UK be but for immigration.
They will probably follow China and India in burning lots of coal to achieve it though.Eventually the places were pulling from will get rich and stop having kids like everyone else tho.
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