Do you want to discuss boring politics? (19 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

They will be paying much more in fuel taxes anyway won't they?

Plenty of normal people need to drive a fair bit.

Yeah, they will. Only right that the principle is extended to VED surely?

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

We've hit peak insanity on this thread.

How can someone seriously say India and China aren't some of the worst countries in the world for how they treat the planet? It is pretty obvious no one on here has ever been to these places. The figures only back up they attitudes they have towards the environment, and it isn't just the size of them, they've got no interest in the welfare and future of the planet.

As for it being 'racist'? Fuck me.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How can you somehow be more punchable than any of the Tory cabinet members that have preceded you?

‘It is just like giving to charity’.

Wrong. You give to charity, you expect nothing in return. You’re a private donor giving to a politician, it’s only because you expect something in return.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

We've hit peak insanity on this thread.

How can someone seriously say India and China aren't some of the worst countries in the world for how they treat the planet? It is pretty obvious no one on here has ever been to these places. The figures only back up they attitudes they have towards the environment, and it isn't just the size of them, they've got no interest in the welfare and future of the planet.

As for it being 'racist'? Fuck me.

No they haven't, but they do that predominately because we, the West, are buying it. So if we care about the planet we should stop doing that to make them stop polluting.

While they don't care about the planet it appears neither to we. They don't for economic growth, we don't for cheap tat.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

No they haven't, but they do that predominately because we, the West, are buying it. So if we care about the planet we should stop doing that to make them stop polluting.

While they don't care about the planet it appears neither to we. They don't for economic growth, we don't for cheap tat.

To suggest we care about the planet as little as they do is hilarious. This cannot be a serious post. As per my last point, you've got no idea how these countries work or what they look like on ground level.

 

[Nick]

Yeah, they will. Only right that the principle is extended to VED surely?

So how isn't it targeting normal people when they are already paying 50 odd pence per litre of fuel?

Maybe people with more kids can start paying more tax to cover their education. People who go to the doctors more pay more for that?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Change they said

 

[MalcSB]

Whatever next. Still, all the resultant closed pubs could be used for housing.

Labour considering crackdown on pub opening hours, minister says

But a Department for Health spokesman said it is ‘categorically untrue’ that the government is considering such measures

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah, they will. Only right that the principle is extended to VED surely?

VED is nothing to do with roads any more, it’s not a hypothecated tax and why it’s no longer called Road fund tax. BEVs are paying no VED and, if charged at home, very small taxation on fuel. So, road pricing on BEVs or dropping all other fuel taxes and charging road pricing on all vehicles would be fair and equitable. Leaving VED and current fuel taxes on ICE vehicles and sticking road pricing on top would be punitive and worthy of public protest. Especially if there is no improvement in the state of the roads.

 

[Nick]

Whatever next. Still, all the resultant closed pubs could be used for housing.

Labour considering crackdown on pub opening hours, minister says

But a Department for Health spokesman said it is ‘categorically untrue’ that the government is considering such measures

www.independent.co.uk

Ah to save the NHS?

 

[MalcSB]

A Tory friend of mine who has voted for the party his whole life, and who often said he wants ‘people like him’ to be banned from immigrating here, has now declared his switch to Labour.

Why? Because he fully supports cutting the WFP and thinks ‘Rachel Reeves has done her sums and I trust her’. Mission accomplished?

Could you tell him I have a bridge to sell?

 

[duffer]

So how isn't it targeting normal people when they are already paying 50 odd pence per litre of fuel?

Maybe people with more kids can start paying more tax to cover their education. People who go to the doctors more pay more for that?

Erm, I'm not sure I'm getting the 'pay more tax for those who have kids' thing.

There's a really simple choice here.

You have a birth rate that supports current population levels, you have immigration to maintain population levels, or you have an increasingly elderly and diminishing population (ultimately that means no one to left to look after you or your kids when they get old).

Which of those three options do you prefer?

(That leaves aside the argument that the vast majority of kids will end up paying forty or more years of income tax themselves of course. I'm sorry, but if you think educated children are a burden to society, then politely, you're not thinking.)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Change they said

@Nick should be all over it

 

[MalcSB]

Ah to save the NHS?

How much longer will alcohol be on sale to drink at home?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Could you tell him I have a bridge to sell?

He’s probably bought it already

 

[shmmeee]

Erm, I'm not sure I'm getting the 'pay more tax for those who have kids' thing.

There's a really simple choice here.

You have a birth rate that supports current population levels, you have immigration to maintain population levels, or you have an increasingly elderly and diminishing population (ultimately that means no one to left to look after you or your kids when they get old).

Which of those three options do you prefer?

(That leaves aside the argument that the vast majority of kids will end up paying forty or more years of income tax themselves of course. I'm sorry, but if you think educated children are a burden to society, then politely, you're not thinking.)

Robots. Good British robots.

 

[Nick]

@Nick should be all over it

They won't.

 

[duffer]

Robots. Good British robots.

It's a good solution, but everyone knows we'd just end up with cheap Chinese daleks that couldn't even get up the stairs.

Anyone who didn't live in a bungalow would eventually starve to death in their bed, covered in their own mess. That's probably how I'll go, in fairness.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They won't.

If they come out against foreigners and the bone idle will you change your view?

 

[Nick]

If they come out against foreigners and the bone idle will you change your view?

My view on what?

Will see what actions are taken...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My view on what?

Will see what actions are taken...

On the party.

 

[shmmeee]

It's a good solution, but everyone knows we'd just end up with cheap Chinese daleks that couldn't even get up the stairs.

Anyone who didn't live in a bungalow would eventually starve to death in their bed, covered in their own mess. That's probably how I'll go, in fairness.

Just wrap the migrants in tin foil…

 

[Nick]

On the party.

Again will see what's actually done and changed...

The party for the working man is doing fuck all for the working man at the minute.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just wrap the migrants in tin foil…

The disconnect from so many trump supporters and reform or anti labour or Tory voters maybe establishment is incredible

This morning seen

Pensioners annoyed that their pension is treated as an income. Huh? Like forever!!
Annoyed at paying for breakfast clubs but also anti immigration without connecting not enough work age people to find their pension so would be good to try something
Climate change is a hoax as is fluoride toxic and poisoning everyone and vaccines have killed thousands of young athletes literally dying in school
I know I get many things wrong but at least I try and look across evidence base and listen to different voices

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Again will see what's actually done and changed...

The party for the working man is doing fuck all for the working man at the minute.

Breakfast clubs not for the working man?

 

[MalcSB]

The disconnect from so many trump supporters and reform or anti labour or Tory voters maybe establishment is incredible

This morning seen

Pensioners annoyed that their pension is treated as an income. Huh? Like forever!!
Annoyed at paying for breakfast clubs but also anti immigration without connecting not enough work age people to find their pension so would be good to try something
Climate change is a hoax as is fluoride toxic and poisoning everyone and vaccines have killed thousands of young athletes literally dying in school
I know I get many things wrong but at least I try and look across evidence base and listen to different voices

Would there be enough work age people if the 1.4 million unemployed and 2.8 million long term “sick” actually had to work for a living?

 

[MalcSB]

Breakfast clubs not for the working man?

I never got an answer when I asked if millionaires children would be entitled if attending state primary schools.

Has this been costed yet ? I don’t believe it has?

 

[shmmeee]

The disconnect from so many trump supporters and reform or anti labour or Tory voters maybe establishment is incredible

This morning seen

Pensioners annoyed that their pension is treated as an income. Huh? Like forever!!
Annoyed at paying for breakfast clubs but also anti immigration without connecting not enough work age people to find their pension so would be good to try something
Climate change is a hoax as is fluoride toxic and poisoning everyone and vaccines have killed thousands of young athletes literally dying in school
I know I get many things wrong but at least I try and look across evidence base and listen to different voices

Think you need some time off Twitter!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Would there be enough work age people if the 1.4 million unemployed and 2.8 million long term “sick” actually had to work for a living?

Course
Do you think 100% are feckless? I’m sure no
Do I think 0% are? No
What figure do you think? There are waiting lists of about 1.5m for ops and mental health and adult social care are hugely underfunded. It’s what I was saying we need joined up thinking

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Think you need some time off Twitter!

Agreed

 

[shmmeee]

I never got an answer when I asked if millionaires children would be entitled if attending state primary schools.

Has this been costed yet ? I don’t believe it has?

TBH there’s benefits to whole school meal times and negligible cost if done properly. You may as well ask should we means test free education completely (no one show this to Rachel Reeves).

 

[skybluetony176]

Would there be enough work age people if the 1.4 million unemployed and 2.8 million long term “sick” actually had to work for a living?

You keep banging on about 2.8 million long term sick with zero context. To give it some context at any given time in the UK something like 3 million people have cancer and that figure is rising. The majority of which will be of working age. That’s just one serious illness that is a genuine reason to be long term sick. Your obsession with the long term sick is baffling.

That 1.4 million unemployment rate you keep banging on about too. Only about 1% of the 4.2% rate is long term unemployed, the vast majority of that 1.4 million are between jobs. There’s a conveyor belt of short term unemployed in that figure and there is always going to be.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I never got an answer when I asked if millionaires children would be entitled if attending state primary schools.

Has this been costed yet ? I don’t believe it has?

Universal free school meals guarantees that nobody falls through the cracks and removes the stigma of being an FSM child. Would rather a kid get a decent lunch who doesn’t need it than have someone need it and go without.

 

[MalcSB]

You keep banging on about 2.8 million long term sick with zero context. To give it some context at any given time in the UK something like 3 million people have cancer and that figure is rising. The majority of which will be of working age. That’s just one serious illness that is a genuine reason to be long term sick. Your obsession with the long term sick is baffling.

That 1.4 million unemployment rate you keep banging on about too. Only about 1% of the 4.2% rate is long term unemployed, the vast majority of that 1.4 million are between jobs. There’s a conveyor belt of short term unemployed in that figure and there is always going to be.

In terms of unemployed, I am taking your 1% of 4.2 % to act7ally be equal to 25% of the unemployed, say 350,000.
In terms of long term sickness, the biggest component and biggest increase is in depression/ anxiety. Apropos of nothing, we apparently need trigger warnings before Midsomer Murders.
There are more than 9 million people aged 16 to 64 defined as economically inactive, I.e. neither working nor looking for work.

If just 4% of these numbers could be encourage/ supported to return to work that would make a significant difference. Not entirely undoable given the comparisons below.

 

[MalcSB]

Universal free school meals guarantees that nobody falls through the cracks and removes the stigma of being an FSM child. Would rather a kid get a decent lunch who doesn’t need it than have someone need it and go without.

That’s a real double standard I’m afraid to the point of hypocrisy. Are all children going to get free school meals?

Universal winter fuel payments guarantees that nobody falls through the cracks